Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

According to a 2016 RAND study, the firehose of falsehood model has four distinguishing factors:

(1) is high-volume and multichannel,

(2) is rapid, continuous, and repetitive,

(3) lacks a commitment to objective reality; and

(4) lacks commitment to consistency.

The high volume of messages, the use of multiple channels, and the use of internet bits and fake accounts are effective because people are more likely to believe a story when it appears to have been reported by multiple sources.

Well, let's look at Russia's track record over the last 20 years:

* Accused of war crimes in Chechnya

* Accused of war crimes in Georgia

* Accused of war crimes in Ukraine

So, accused of horrific war crimes in three different countries and in response withdraws from the court. How many of these war crimes did the Russians investigate? How many soldiers has Russia convicted of war crimes in the last 20 years? So, no. These are not assumptions as you claim. They are based on quantifiable evidence that Russia is not willing or able to hold its soldiers accountable for murdering and raping civilians.

For somebody that says they're not a troll, you sure spend a lot of time acting like a troll.

Why did you quote my post? My posts as well as my manner can not be described as what is mentioned in that charter.

Do you have any indication that the theater had anything but civilians in it or are you making a bad faith assumption?

Terrible accusations. At least some of them are true.

Armies are commiting crimes. Governments are reluctant to investigate own "heroes". As far as I am concerned, they are all scum, should be punished, but strictly lawfully and fairly. Otherwise we are not better than them.

Again, you might label it whataboutism, Russia is not better, or worse in that matter than USA, or any other country that attacked someone. So, when you talk about Russian people in context of crimes committed by members of Russian army, be aware that very likely same applies to you and your nation.

I am not trying to justify crimes and war, I am against revenge, hypocrisy, self-righteousness and double standards.

Hope you can understand that.

BTW, if I understood correctly, Russia did not withdraw from the court in regard of alleged specific crimes against civilians, but in regard to labeling annexation of Crimes as a crime, as such. Slight difference, but important.

Neither.

It was just considering possibilities. At one point someone asked me directly "was shelter under theater legitimate target?"

To that I answered "If there were armed forces in theatre, that theatre was legitimate target".

Then, next guy used above to accuse me of justifying bombing the shelter.

Then I responded in message which you have quoted.

Obviously, it was a spin, aimed to accuse me of supporting criminal acts..

Just highlighting a patern used by the genocide distraction bots and trolls.

I'm sure you're just a nice random 3rd worlder posting his genuine pro-Russian beliefs on an American running message board. It's just a coincidence that your posting pattern is identical to every other Kremlin bot that has spammed this board/thread.

Utter BS.

Don’t you guys realize that this is Adult in the room using an unregistered name. Notice his absence, the exact same arguments and style of writing, and posting frequency.

Then prove me wrong by not posting more than once an hour for the next 8 hour shift.

Don't be ridiculous. There is no doubt that Russian agents poisoned three of Putin's critics in the UK. A number of his political enemies have been jailed on spurious charges, and several seem to have inexplicably fallen from high places and smashed into the pavement below. With respect to potential punishments, nothing in Putin (or Russia's past actions suggest that they would admit to war crimes or accept or administer punishment for it unless forced by the international community. You are free to disagree, but I doubt you can find example.

The answer to the question in the second paragraph is yes, depending on circumstances. And the nationality of the members of the Wagner Group (many of whom are Russian) and Kadyrov's fighters is irrelevant. If they are fighting on Russia's side, Russia is responsible. Neither group would be there is Russia didn't want them there.

As for the theater, you specifically wrote that it was a legitimate military target.

there are significant doubts

For example, Skripal was in Russian jail before alleged poisoning

So why send him to Britain and then try to poison? Why not to allow him to stay in prison and kill him there?

Although if you're looking for a motive from Britain intelligence you can find one easily

Hi!

All you say might be true, but is not a proof. Russia must be given a benefit of a doubt, towards supposed guilt.

Aldo, f claims about poisoning were true, if it was really done by Russian secret service, eliminating "enemies" and "traitors" in exile is not exclusive for Russia. For what we know, all countries have secret services doing the same Methods may differ. Similarly for political enemies in jail. Labeling may differ.

Further, poluticans in jail are not there on charges for politics, at least not officially. Anyway, being politically against Putin can not cover for crimes and offenses, if there are any.

I already said what I had to say about war crimes. I can only add, I hope you think and say the same for accusations against "your" soldiers and mercenaries.

I did not write that about bombing the theatre. It's all here on forum, in written. You would quote to prove me wrong, but you can't.

Could you please explain what would this prove? I live in time zone that is 5-7 east of NYC. I sleep only 4-6 hours over night.

Maybe you think I work 8 hours shifts of paid trolling? LOL!

I have benefit of running own business, so I do not have to be at the office "on time". At the moment I wait for flakes in yogurt to become eatable, then I will take a s**t and go to work. I have to produce some debit notes for last month's jobs.

People live different lives, have different thoughts ... all equal in their rights.

Can anyone possibly believe Russia is as guilty as anywhere near as many war crimes and mass murder of noncombatant as USA/Israel?

Yes. I can. But, even if I couldn't, what's your point? That the Ukrainians should be okay with being the victims of Russian war crimes because the US has committed war crimes elsewhere? And, if that's not your point, then why bring it up unless you're trying to justify Russian war crimes?

theguardian.com

Rape as a weapon: huge scale of sexual violence inflicted in Ukraine emerges

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/bethan-mckernan

Women and girls have recounted the abuse they have suffered at the hands of Russian soldiers

Link:www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/03/...

washingtonpost.com

Signs of massacre in Bucha spark calls for war crimes probes

Ukraine is asking the International Criminal Court to send experts to Bucha, near Kyiv, to gather evidence of possible Russian war crimes.

Link:www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/0...

(The following is not an unbiased source, but I've seen others also calling Russia's actions genocide.)

washingtonpost.com

Outrage widens over Russian attacks Zelensky now calls a ‘genocide’

Explosions rocked Odessa early Sunday, while tens of thousands of people remained cut off from desperately needed aid in Mariupol, which the Red Cross still hasn’t been able to reach.

Link:www.washingtonpost.com/national-securi...

You can?

Sheesh.

My point?

Hypocrisy. America/Israel invades and attacks numerous nations, killing far more non combatants than Russia ever has and the media and the pols justify it and the suckers go along, focusing solely on Russian crimes.

Where was the media, the pols, where were you, when Ukraine was bombing Donbas and Donetsk for 8 years before the Russians invaded?