I challenge anyone to logically defend this action: Feds Order High School To Allow Boys Who Dress As Gir

If something isn't illegal why should you have any say in what another person does or doesn't do. Hell yes you should tolerate it.

racket wrote:

Get used to it.. wrote:

Yes, if public sex were legal people should be tolerant of it. Why is this so hard to understand?

We should be tolerant of something just because it's legal? You have to be a troll.

I tolerate the viewpoint. I am pointing out flaws in arguments. This is a stupid ridiculous LRC way to argue that doesn't work. Pointing out that someone is intolerant is not intolerance. Idiots.

Seeker of Equality wrote:

You have no tolerance for anyone else's viewpoint. You are simply trying to force your viewpoint on others. I understand the difficulties and challenges that this young person must be experiencing. Obviously, this person is very confused about who or what they are. However, my 14 year old daughter should not be forced into showering with what otherwise appears to be a 14 year old boy. The fact that you can't accept that viewpoint, makes you as bigoted as the people you claim to want to change.

Get used to it.. wrote:

My god you are dumb. Externally he is a male. Internal means he is what he perceives himself or herself to be. If you read your statement, you will see that for the health of the Transgendered person, they should live in accordance with bow they seem themselves, not what their external parts are. Duh.

YesYesYes wrote:

"Live in accordance with their ***INTERNAL*** GENDER." His internal gender is MALE.

You realize that every single one of your posts you start off by insulting someone? That seems a bit hateful.

That is an awful lot of bark and I am sure has no bite. It seems like you think you are special and a force to be dealt with. We are shaking!

Lol...the reason I insult people like you is because you are so blatantly wrong just to make a point. Not every single one of my posts starts with an insult. So you are wrong. Idiot.

WhitePony wrote:

Get used to it.. wrote:

My god you are dumb. Externally he is a male. Internal means he is what he perceives himself or herself to be. If you read your statement, you will see that for the health of the Transgendered person, they should live in accordance with bow they seem themselves, not what their external parts are. Duh.

You realize that every single one of your posts you start off by insulting someone? That seems a bit hateful.

What do you mean "people like me"?

My god you are dumb. Externally he is a male. Internal means he is what he perceives himself or herself to be. If you read your statement, you will see that for the health of the Transgendered person, they should live in accordance with bow they seem themselves, not what their external parts are. Duh.

I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m f.king retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my rights. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

Who would have thought that this thread could have possibly led us to this picture of Apache:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/5/5e/Movie_Blackout_promorender2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070731194530

Get used to it.. wrote:

If something isn't illegal why should you have any say in what another person does or doesn't do. Hell yes you should tolerate it.

racket wrote:

We should be tolerant of something just because it's legal? You have to be a troll.

There is a very important reason why your logic is wrong. What a society deems legal or illegal is fickle. Not too long ago, slavery was legal. Keeping women from voting was legal. Separate but equal was legal. People fight for what is RIGHT, not what is currently deemed legal.

Now, we have gone past the point of equilibrium, past the point of classical liberalism (a good thing, "all men are created equal, etc.) into moral relativism. Now, it is time to fight for what it RIGHT, not what is currently deemed legal.

thejeff wrote:

Get used to it.. wrote:

If something isn't illegal why should you have any say in what another person does or doesn't do. Hell yes you should tolerate it.

There is a very important reason why your logic is wrong. What a society deems legal or illegal is fickle. Not too long ago, slavery was legal. Keeping women from voting was legal. Separate but equal was legal. People fight for what is RIGHT, not what is currently deemed legal.

Now, we have gone past the point of equilibrium, past the point of classical liberalism (a good thing, "all men are created equal, etc.) into moral relativism. Now, it is time to fight for what it RIGHT, not what is currently deemed legal.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think is the great danger of public sex? Not that I care one way or the other. I'm just curious as to why you would be so concerned.

And the following don't really count as reasonable arguments:

"It's disgusting"

"It's WRONG!!!"

Seriously, why would anyone care?

Are you asking me personally? I only ask because I never said anything positive or negative (or dangerous!) about public sex... but still, since you asked, I will bite :-)

Religious implications aside, sex is the most intimate expression of love a man and a woman can share with one another. To publicize it is, on some level, akin to telling society a secret that your spouse trusted with you. It is a breach of trust.

Now, I know that not everyone shares my worldview (and I am also aware that we have gotten way off topic, lol), but I would imagine there would be fewer divorces and single-parent households if people treated sex with the sacredness it deserves. (Which, now that I think about it, the fact that we have half of a generation of children being reared with no masculine father figure may contribute to the feminization of our young males, which in turn may contribute to gender confusion. Pure speculation, but worth putting out there.)

Nice post.

FWIW - I agree with this:

"sex is the most intimate expression of love a man and a woman can share with one another."

But I am not so sure about this:

"To publicize it is, on some level, akin to telling society a secret that your spouse trusted with you. It is a breach of trust. "

How can one be breaching the trust of your spouse when your spouse is an active participant in that "breach"?

Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful post.

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For the record - I have no interest in having sex in public. I'm guessing (but it is admittedly just a guess) that most people do not. I also would not be particularly concerned if I saw a couple having sex in a public area. I would just turn the other way and go about my business. But I do understand that for many this would be a very disturbing incident.

As a transman and former 3-time girls state cross country champion, 2-time powerlifting in my weight class champion, and 4 time all-american soccer player, I've never had complaints from other men while using the men's room and showers. To them, I appear as just another guy. I dress like a guy and my hair is styled like a guy. I am a guy.

exthrower wrote:

Men have testicles...And Male DNA......Keep deluding yourself....

My driver's license states that I am a man. I'm probably more of a man than so-called "Real men". I can lift more weight than most of them.

can you explain what you mean by "transman"?

And, provide some pics to support your assertions.

Searching for Answers wrote:

can you explain what you mean by "transman"?

And, provide some pics to support your assertions.

I was born a biological female but identify as a male and live my life as a male. I was born in the wrong body.

markschultz25 wrote:

Searching for Answers wrote:

can you explain what you mean by "transman"?

And, provide some pics to support your assertions.

I was born a biological female but identify as a male and live my life as a male. I was born in the wrong body.

You have an incredible story.

Are you sure you are not mixing up "masculine" with "male", though?

Searching for Answers wrote:

can you explain what you mean by "transman"?

And, provide some pics to support your assertions.

Pictures? You've never heard of transsexualism? Never seen a trans person?

closet cleaner wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Keep going with this. Try to convince all the fathers in America that they are ignorant intolerant bigots just because they don't want naked guys showering with their daughters. You are winning. Keep going!

The Feds are being too nice about this. Shouldn't we put the 211 school board in jail for not upholding Federal Law like we did with that marriage license woman? THAT would send a message that the Federal Government will tolerate no divergence from the politically correct orthodoxy. Got to break some eggs to make the Utopian omelet you know.

Beat down dissent with an iron fist. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Until you answer my question, I will. Thanks!

So, Gary, are you okay with lesbians showering with your daughters?

I am.

If there are going to be semi-public showers with some sort of rules about who can be in them with whom then I can't really imagine how it is even possible to sort by sexual preference or "identifies with". These are not qualities that are verifiable. External physical characteristics are.