Here are the cartoons that got 12 innocent people at Charlie Hebdo slaughtered

Yes do it. Please have one that makes fun off all, including Christians and atheist.

rojo wrote:

wejo wrote:

I haven't discussed this with Robert but think we should pick one of the cartoons and make it a splash page tomorrow. I'm open to what LRCers think.

Are you crazy? I'm recently married and don't want to get slaughtered. I'd like any future children I have to have a father.

Stick to running.

I'm all for freedom of the press but let's focus on running.

-Rojo

PS. At least it's your address is listed with the domain registration. I'll raise your dogs like my own if you are slaughtered.

Don't you mean running and the Dallas Cowboys?

Publish the faces of the victims. Not the cartoon. You don't have to be 'afraid' to decide not to publish. I don't care if you publish or not, but I don't think it is the smartest response.

Publishing the cartoons will only stoke the fire of a few that will want use your provocation as a further 'proof' that the west hates muslims. You become a recruiting tool. Point out that 12 PEOPLE DIED so that a few nut jobs could get the world's attention. Now they have our attention, lets show them that we are not like them.

Remember that these guys are not the brightest bulbs in the room. They will get caught and prosecuted if they don't kill themselves first, just like the Boston bombers, underwear bomber, shoe bomber, etc.

Pittsburgh Joe wrote:

Publish the faces of the victims. Not the cartoon. You don't have to be 'afraid' to decide not to publish. I don't care if you publish or not, but I don't think it is the smartest response.

Publishing the cartoons will only stoke the fire of a few that will want use your provocation as a further 'proof' that the west hates muslims. You become a recruiting tool. Point out that 12 PEOPLE DIED so that a few nut jobs could get the world's attention. Now they have our attention, lets show them that we are not like them.

Remember that these guys are not the brightest bulbs in the room. They will get caught and prosecuted if they don't kill themselves first, just like the Boston bombers, underwear bomber, shoe bomber, etc.

+1

either the je suis charlie

or the faces of the victims

since you guys are also journalists of a sort, the faces of the victims seem the most meaningful option

Check this out:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11331836/Je-Suis-Charlie-Vigils-held-around-the-world-after-Paris-terror-attack-in-pics.html?frame=3158223

Pittsburgh Joe wrote:

Remember that these guys are not the brightest bulbs in the room. They will get caught and prosecuted if they don't kill themselves first, just like the Boston bombers, underwear bomber, shoe bomber, etc.

If I may, I'll add to your thoughtful post that because of what you mentioned above, these morons didn't conceive this operation themselves. It was done by someone higher up the chain and they were selected precisely because they weren't the brightest bulbs.

Religion is just a fog they use, the organization that planned this attack is no different than a street gang.

nazism, communism, islam wrote:

Liberal Europe got it coming. They've let in millions of people who adhere to a religion that preaches endless hate against non-believers. In a few months I can guarantee that we will read headlines like "6 in 10 European Muslims agree more or less" with the killings. I doubt Europe can turn this now.

True.

Viewing what happened to the town I grew up in, I’m a bit offended when casually skimming though what some badly informed Americans, living in the safety and security of a country with few Muslim immigrants, are pontificating about the subject.

Thanks to we in the West’s ignorance of history, Muslims are flooding Europe under the guise of "immigration," refusing to assimilate, and forming enclaves which in modern parlance are called "enclaves" or "ghettoes" but in Islamic terminology are the ribat -- frontier posts where the jihad is waged on the infidel, one way or the other.

So called moderate Muslims are encouraged to come to the West in great numbers to provide a front for "extremist" i.e. real Muslims to operate behind.

They come as a package.

The ordinary "moderate" Muslim subscribes to the same ideology as the beasts who carried out the Charlie Hebdo massacre and then the have the cheek, as I notice today here in Britain, to disingenuously denounce the perpetrators, but then go on to complain about some imaginary backlash!

A good description of a moderate Muslim is the one who holds your feet while the extremist is cutting off your head.

Charles Martel, king of the Franks, saved Western Europe from the Muslim barbarian horde in 732 AD and John Sobieski of Poland saved Eastern Europe from the Muslim barbarian horde in 1683.

I don’t see their like around in Europe these days to save our civilisation.

And, remember, virtually everything great and glorious about American society, culture and civilisation came from Europe and European immigration also.

So you Yanks had better visit such icons as the Acropolis, the Coliseum, St Peters, the Eiffel Tower, Stonehenge, etc, etc before they get blown up in a generation or two’s time - as not being relevant to Islam - as the Taliban did to the Buddha statues.

Uh ohhhhh...http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/08/technology/security/malvertising-huffington-post/index.html

wwwejod wrote:

wejo linking something from huffingtonpost.com??! A strange day indeed, my friends. Hope that doesn't get the brojos disowned.

Binks wrote:

refusing to assimilate, and forming enclaves which in modern parlance are called "enclaves" or "ghettoes" .

Same in the US. It's called The Hood over here.

The policeman who was shot in the head at point blank range was an an ordinary "moderate" muslim.

You of all people have no right to call anyone ill informed.

On the subject of printing the cartoons. I would tend to think there is an argument that beingoffensive just because you have the right to be is not exactly great behaviour.

But the context here, where publishing the cartoons would be in solidarity with Charlie Hebdo is quite clearly different, this would not be being offensive just for the sake of being offensive.

So you are equating posting cartoons as support for the dead in France, and free speech, with a Statist totalitarian government murdering millions and starting a world war? You are brilliant....

agip wrote:[/b

let me switch out the word 'danger'

to something like do you see the contradiction? you are saying we have to beat back the barbarians...by enforcing a collective punishment and further alienating the muslims. Is that productive in any way? You think I should be a d$ck and put the cartoons on my facebook page and that is going to beat the barbarians by out-barbarianing them?

it's stupid.

We defend western civ with laws and principles and tolerance, not by encouraing each other to be d$cks.

Free speech wrote:

Posting the unedited cartoons would be a fitting tribute to the victims and a gesture of defiance against those who want to stifle freedom of speech. I say do it.

I agree.

equating? no.I'm saying that preserving western civ is more likely to happen if we practice what we preach and we don't tell everyone that it is his responsibility to be a dick and deliberately offend a 99% innocent minority.And that is the parallel - Hitler told Germans to do just that - to be dicks and to deliberately offend a 99% innocent minority (jews in this case) after a jew committed an act of terror. Is that parallel wrong?I suppose burning down synagogues is different than publishing cartoons, but I think the point remains that we ought to take the high road and not a lame poke in the eye response that doesn't help anything other than prove in 'their' minds that we are in a war against them and total dicks. ____So you are equating posting cartoons as support for the dead in France, and free speech, with a Statist totalitarian government murdering millions and starting a world war? You are brilliant....

agip wrote:[/b

let me switch out the word 'danger'

to something like do you see the contradiction? you are saying we have to beat back the barbarians...by enforcing a collective punishment and further alienating the muslims. Is that productive in any way? You think I should be a d$ck and put the cartoons on my facebook page and that is going to beat the barbarians by out-barbarianing them?

it's stupid.

We defend western civ with laws and principles and tolerance, not by encouraing each other to be d$cks.

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agip wrote:

...but I think the point remains that we ought to take the high road and not a lame poke in the eye response that doesn't help anything other than prove in 'their' minds that we are in a war against them and total dicks.

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So you lay down and let them have their way is what you are saying? That is rewarding bad behavior. Rewarding bad behavior leads to more bad behavior.

What next? They start killing women for not covering their face and hair because that also offends muslims? Wouldn't want to upset the muslims now would you?

just stop please wrote:

agip wrote:

...but I think the point remains that we ought to take the high road and not a lame poke in the eye response that doesn't help anything other than prove in 'their' minds that we are in a war against them and total dicks.

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So you lay down and let them have their way is what you are saying? That is rewarding bad behavior. Rewarding bad behavior leads to more bad behavior.

What next? They start killing women for not covering their face and hair because that also offends muslims? Wouldn't want to upset the muslims now would you?

eh? no. You use police work to arrest the perps and stop further outrages. How is that rewarding bad behavior?

You enforce the law, rather than encouraging everyone in the populace to be dickish.

hitler would have said what you said - something about not letting the jews have their way with germany - "stand up and fight, Germans!" really. He said crap like that. You aren't hitler, but you are using nazi thought patterns, .

Nice rebuttal.

Wejo, been w/ you since the get-go - and this is truly the noblest of gestures. Actually, as you obviously know, numerous publications are doing the same - including Charlie Hebdo - betcha they sell out….

And still you compare those fighting totalitarianism with a totalitarian. You must be a leftist.

agip wrote:

hitler would have said what you said - something about not letting the jews have their way with germany - "stand up and fight, Germans!" really. He said crap like that. You aren't hitler, but you are using nazi thought patterns, .

As a former muslim, who was brought up in a very religious family, and also from Ethiopia, maybe the only country where muslims and christians have been living peacefully side by side for centuries, I think I can make a more informed analysis of this than most of you, whose only or main source of information is the western media.

-No argument whatsoever that this act should be condemned and that there is no justification for it.

- Muslims, be them moderate or extremes, should stop saying that it is "illegal" to defame their religion or their prophet. If it is a sharia based country like saudi arabia, then let them have that rule, but they can't expect that such a rule should be enforced all over the world. The same goes for any other thing that doesn't fit with the Sharia law. Otherwise, even my life will be at stake because according to some interpretation of the sharia law, I should be put to death because I am not a muslim anymore.

- moderate muslims, if they don't want that their religion to be completely hijacked and hated by everyone else should put a little bit more effort to voice that these crazy extremists don't represent them. If I was still a muslim, I would have tried to organize a rally against this in my city this weekend.

- The western media, specially US media outlets such as Fox, should try to be a bit more authentic in reporting the whole picture. For example, there was a lot of statements from the muslim world against the attack, but it didn't get that much media attention. Instead, there were interviews of some crazy imams who were trying to justify the attack (e.g see

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3976707999001/radical-imam-anjem-choudary-on-charlie-hebdo-attack/?#sp=show-clips

). When the islamophobic nuthead slaughtered 70+ people in Norway, he was never reported as a "christian terrorist" or an "anti-islam terrorist".. almost in all the media that I came across he was treated as just one crazy dude. But let a man shout "alahu akbar" and shoots (he doesnt even have to shout "alahu akbar", it suffices if he has an arabic sounding name), then all media reports will say "extreme islam terrorist" "islamist", .... all terms that will just create more and more prejudice. I have the most famous muslim name (Mohammed), and I am seriously thinking of changing it, to make my life easier in the future (as I currently live in Europe.) And also if I ever go nuts and shoot someone or do some other crazy shit, I don't want to bring down the name of 2billion+ people with me...

-George Bush invaded Iraq in the name of God, under the false claim that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, and thousands of lives were lost (and which can be attributed to some extent as one of the root causes to all the mess that is happening in the middle east now). But he was never depicted in the media as a "christian terrorist"....

- I think all or most organized religion is bullshit...and I hope sooner or later more and more people will realize this. But till then, people should be free to practice whatever they want.