Sure, we can all dismiss explanations we don’t like with a one word reply…
Sure, we can all believe Jakob, a guy who hates losing, when he says he was sick. Did you get his temperature yourself? Did you do the COVID test to him? You choose to believe him, I choose not to. Enough words now?
Josh kerr opened up about a 5-10cm gap on Jakob and maintained that all the way to the line in the last bend at 90m mark in the prefontaine mile. Jakob couldn't close it moreover couldn't filter right out wide to prepare any overtaking. Last lap was 53.x seconds, faster than any of the 54 and 55 seconds Jakob has ran his sub 3:30 1500m this year at Oslo and Monaco. Euros he was outside 3:30 so his 53 second close doesn't count since it's a slower time.
Whoever can close a 3:27 and 3:28 race in 53, or even 52 I believe must have the upper hand for gold. Only 2 man can do that and those were the same 2 who came top 2 at prefontaine mile. But for me, i think Josh has the slight edge just because he has a faster 800m pb and could have run 1:45:00 at british trials 800m final if he didn't fall down.
As a Jakob supporter I have no problem with your post here -Josh was clearly better than Jakob at Prefontaine. And yes, the Scot may also be better than his 800m pb. But that goes for Jakob as well…
On your cue I went to watch the Monaco 3:26 race to see if there were any improvements from Ingebrigtsen's stride rhythm and good news for you yes there was. His rhythm from head to toe was much less sluggish than Prefontaine mile maybe it's because he returned back to home in Sandness to train at sea level as compared to when he was holed up in a foreign land in Flagstaff at altitude and couldn't really adjust as well as back home at sea level.
I could hardly detect any limp or other problems in Ingebrigtsen's stride, maybe a slight limp every time he negotiates all the bends but on the straightways he is flying like Kerr and my sniper eyes easily entrained on his rhythm effortlessly. There were too many objects in the infield in Monaco stadium which hindered my ability to really 100% assess how Ingebrigtsen moved and I struggled a little. The race video was bad below.
I'm pleasantly happy for Ingebrigtsen if training back at home at sea level has done him a wonder of good. He will be a real threat to Kerr which would be good for the sport.
He said those tinted glasses are for psychologically intimidating Ingebrigtsen and the other athletes which I'm sure it does because every time I talk to somebody who doesn't remove their tinted sunglasses I don't feel like I'm having an equal conversation with him or her. I feel like he or she has a foot up on me, some advantage I'm unsure of.
I get it, by why did he then come up with this sun glasses idea on a time when he was really bad at running (pre his bronze) -didn’t he grasp that others rather would laugh at him..?
Did you check last year's Silesia 3:27:14. I paste the video for you see here again. It can be said that the race last year was a disastrous pacemaking job from McSweyne because he left Ingebrigtsen so far out alone the entire race. Ingebrigtsen couldn't take advantage of any drafting provided by McSweyne at all. At one point, Ingebrigtsen was almost 15-20 meters away from McSweyne and so it can be revealed that had the wind drafting be better and Ingebrigtsen waste less energy running almost all by himself the entire way, he actually already had the 3:26:73 season best last year 2023 and not necessarily only now in 2024 at Monaco. Make sense? Especially since Ingebrigtsen had way better drafting at this year's Monaco from Zan Rudolf whom he shadowed within inches the entire way up till 1100m. McSweyne went till 1200m last year at Silesia but what's the point when he was always 10-20 meters in front of Ingebrigtsen the whole time? What sort of drafting and pacing is there exist? None.
I wouldn't be surprised that Ingebrigtsen ran even faster last year if he got perfect drafting and pacemaking combined like those at this year's Monaco DL, something like 3:26:14?? Very close to el g WR I would say. But he still loss to Kerr in Budapest despite being in technically 3:26:14 shape last year. This year's 3:26:73 would then be a downgrade and deprovement from the technically 3:26:14 last year which then means he is even more likely to lose to Kerr in Paris since he has ran slower and in poorer form.
Everybody asks now how Ingebrigtsen is running a new PB while starting his season so slowly and was with an achilles injury? Well he didn't actually run any new PB because his actual PB before wasn't 3:27:14 but technically 3:26:14 had he not run completely alone the entire race in Silesia and McSweyne not been such a bad pacer.
Ingebrigtsen with his slow start season and achilles injury would only be a running a season's best of 3:26:73 rather than a new PB because his technically extrapolated PB should have been 3:26:14 from last year except bad drafting and pacing.
I agree with you here (but not the McSweyn being a bad pacer thing -it was Jakob that had some lactate issues, and couldn’t keep up). So yes, Jakob isn’t better now. But he might be in a few weeks… And his loss in WC 2023 was the sickness, so your comparison with Kerr remains pointless…
Lolz you didn't get it. My point is Jakob ain't running a 3:27 solo in the final. Give Kerr the respect he has earned. He is the reigning outdoor world champ, a WR holder and reigning indoor world champ, and beat Jakob again not long ago. I expect him to run down Jakob again in the final.
Yes, Kerr should be respected. He is clearly now the only one who is near Jakob in the 1500m…
Lolz you didn't get it. My point is Jakob ain't running a 3:27 solo in the final. Give Kerr the respect he has earned. He is the reigning outdoor world champ, a WR holder and reigning indoor world champ, and beat Jakob again not long ago. I expect him to run down Jakob again in the final.
Yes, Kerr should be respected. He is clearly now the only one who is near Jakob in the 1500m…
Sure, we can all believe Jakob, a guy who hates losing, when he says he was sick. Did you get his temperature yourself? Did you do the COVID test to him? You choose to believe him, I choose not to. Enough words now?
Not at all.. If Jakob in 2022 had said he was sick, and lost to Wightman for that reason, it would have been much harder to believe him (or at least that the sickness had a significantly impact), simply because Jakob was a 3.29 man who was beaten by another 3.29 man -not very strange…
And if Jakob had screwed up his tactics in WC 2023, or ran slightly under par (having a bad day, as we all sometimes have), or failed with his peak (semis didn’t look like that), or Kerr had a flawless race (which he hadn’t), and so on, yes then it would look like an excuse… But Jakob underperformed grossly, and extremely unexpected, and Kerr didn’t over perform. If Jakob had run a 3.27 solo as expected after Silesia, and Josh had drafted and taken the home straight -do you think Jakob or anybody else would have claimed sickness..? Context matters.
The only other explanation I can find is that Jakob had nerves that paralysed him. But that doesn’t seem likely given the context…
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Kerr can't run 3:27, he has no capacity, why are you overestimating him so much.He finished his job. He is a world champion. What do you expect from him? World record? 5 golds? We'll speak in less than 3 weeks.
Lolz you didn't get it. My point is Jakob ain't running a 3:27 solo in the final. Give Kerr the respect he has earned. He is the reigning outdoor world champ, a WR holder and reigning indoor world champ, and beat Jakob again not long ago. I expect him to run down Jakob again in the final.
Yes, I didn't, of course he isn't running 3:27 in Paris, he is winning gold in Paris, that is a goal for OG. We agree with times, We just have different winner prediction. See you 6th August
If 3:27 I'll give it to Jakob because Kerr would really have to run out of his skin and there is just hanging on that point and no kick to deploy.
Fair enough. But for Jakob to run 3:27 alone from the front after 2 fast rounds is really a tough ask. Even el g ran with a pacer for the 99 seville up till 800m at least. He ran 3:27:65. If that's the time Ingebrigtsen is aiming to run alone after 2 rounds then I don't know what to think. He will open himself up to all sorts of attacks from the pack.
You seem to forget that the rounds are also hard for Jakob´s competitors and perhaps even harder for them due to their relatively inferior endurance.
Prefontaine mile was a 3:28 converted 1500m and Josh kicked in 53s and beat Jakob. He even opened a slight gap in the last 100m. Josh looked very easy and relaxed round the track in prefontaine and still run 3:28 equivalent 1500m. Base on his ease I think it’s reasonable to say he could move up a gear to run 3:44 and 3:27 already at prefontaine. One has to feel very good to move so far out from 600m and go against the wind.
so I think Josh has a 3:27 in him at prefontaine and closing at the same speed of 53s. The athletes are so fit and efficient that a 1 second increase in time difference result doesn’t drastically alter the 53s closing kick at all, if at all.
I would expect Josh to kick it at same 53s even if it was a 3:27 race. Josh stride is definitely also smoother than Jakob.
Right on, Kerr looked like he was running on air around the track in eugene, superb ease while Ingebrigtsen looked to be tripping all over his body. His arms carriage looked very shabby and not disciplined in motion like those of Kerr. That was the same with his legs and so it also looked like he was limping and favoring one leg and needed a sniper trained vision like mine to visually extrude from him. I had to re-run the video 5-6 times and really focused all my concentration just to extrude it.
I think it will be very close again this time between Kerr and Ingebrigtsen in Paris, personal bests times really don't matter within a certain range. They are all sub 3:30 runners, not like one of them is sub 3:20 or something. Stride rhythm and kicking ability matters a lot, as well as tactics and strategy. Go 1 second too late or early is all the difference. Kerr said he is fit enough to make a mistake in the 1500m but Ingebrigtsen hasn't said that yet. Still waiting to hear from him that he can make double the mistakes Kerr said he can make and still win.
Exactly man I had been saying that all along, Josh Kerr has the superior biomechanical patterns for sprinting and for 1500m/mile in general and quite reminiscent of Hicham El Guerrouj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josh Kerr has a very relaxed and compact biomechanical profile and the guys on LRC underestimate the importance of the relax-ness and compactness because they think it's not a worthy factor in energy conservation and efficiency at speed. Well they are now very wrong to the core.
Any good distance coach or guru knows that the first thing they see when an athlete comes to them is the way he moves his body, his biomechanics at various speeds and paces. They don't check his lactate level nor his historical splits and paces for his interval workouts nor analyze what he eats at breakfast lunch and dinner or how many massages he used to get. First, they look AT THE WAY HE MOVES AND RUNS, his levers and the efficiency of his levers!!! It's a running sport DUH!!!!! You don't bother about BS lactate levels first!!!!!
And I have been doing that all along on LRC or youtube. When a runner runs, I don't give a damn about his 400m splits first or his positioning, I give a damn about THE WAY HE MOVES HIS BODY, I look for ease-ness of motion, frequency, direction, positioning, aerodynamic-ness, how does everything fit in the whole???????
Visual inspection in space and time is very important and any tiny fault or past niggle/injury will be revealed in anyone's biomechanics, even including whether or not the likelihood of PED assistance as many athletes get a sudden upregulation in all the levers of their biomechanics upon PED consumption such as Cole H and Grant F at 2024 US Olympic trials to name a few. The way an athlete moves in space and time can be indicative of PED use and/or reveal any and every adversity he may have had in the past.
An athlete's biomechanical movement patterns is like AN EVIDENCE BANK, or a HISTORY BANK, keeping evidence of every single event that has happened to his health both positively and negatively!!!!
Cheers and much love from GB!!!!!!
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Lolz you didn't get it. My point is Jakob ain't running a 3:27 solo in the final. Give Kerr the respect he has earned. He is the reigning outdoor world champ, a WR holder and reigning indoor world champ, and beat Jakob again not long ago. I expect him to run down Jakob again in the final.
Brave of Kerr to run the indoor WC when it was held so far off course all the way out in Glasgow, Scotland, casually appearing on the start lists just after Jakob confirmed he wasn't running.
He was 100% intending to sit out a world championship in his own back yard to avoid a defeat.
January 12: Jakob announces he's skipping indoors because of injury problems. Feb 19: Kerr announces he's actually running indoors starting 11 days later. How generous of the world champion to let his national athletics federation have a whole week of marketing.
It's the manner also in which Josh Kerr close in 25.19s at world indoors in lane 2 for the 3000m in 7:43 which could have been 24.8 if he was in lane 1 and conserved even more distance and energy. He is thus the only man on planet earth to have close any final 200m from 800m to 10000m events in under 25.2s this year or even the last 10 years???? Tell me who has kicked like as fast as Kerr from 800m to 10000m on the track from 2014 to 2024? He is a monster kicker if required.
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Sure, we can all believe Jakob, a guy who hates losing, when he says he was sick. Did you get his temperature yourself? Did you do the COVID test to him? You choose to believe him, I choose not to. Enough words now?
Not at all.. If Jakob in 2022 had said he was sick, and lost to Wightman for that reason, it would have been much harder to believe him (or at least that the sickness had a significantly impact), simply because Jakob was a 3.29 man who was beaten by another 3.29 man -not very strange…
And if Jakob had screwed up his tactics in WC 2023, or ran slightly under par (having a bad day, as we all sometimes have), or failed with his peak (semis didn’t look like that), or Kerr had a flawless race (which he hadn’t), and so on, yes then it would look like an excuse… But Jakob underperformed grossly, and extremely unexpected, and Kerr didn’t over perform. If Jakob had run a 3.27 solo as expected after Silesia, and Josh had drafted and taken the home straight -do you think Jakob or anybody else would have claimed sickness..? Context matters.
The only other explanation I can find is that Jakob had nerves that paralysed him. But that doesn’t seem likely given the context…
The point is that Jakob needed to have won Budapest world champs while sick because this was his destiny when he first fell sick that week!!!!!!!
How many times must I have said this over and over again!!!! There are no excuses in the universe, everything in the universe IS CATERED AND ACCOUNTED for already at the beginning of creation by God. Do you folks mean that the laws of Physics of space-time or God didn't know far beforehand in 4000 BC at creation that a certain Jakob in 2024 AD would fall sick the week of his world champs finals??????
Of course he knew, he created space and time in the beginning and legitimized it using the laws of physics, meaning the laws of physics will iterate its way across all 4000 years of BC and 2024 years of AD to arrive at a point in space-time in which a young Jakob stands on the start line of the Budapest 2023 1500m race half-sick. That cannot be changed. What can be changed and controlled was Jakob, IN THAT MOMENT, then going on to win the race despite being half-sick which he didn't because he couldn't. That's the end of it.
There are no excuses because circumstances and events are overwhelmingly outside of one's control in space time, all the time. An excuse is only plausible if Jakob had conscious control of how and when he could fall sick but he wasn't an obsessive compulsive hypochondriac like maybe Paula Radcliff or otherwise so it never occurred him to take extreme care of his hygiene and social habits in order not to fall sick during the period of the Budapest world champs. So no excuses were admitted based on the facts and circumstances of how Jakob behaved, spoke and his belief system. Instead, it was uncontrollable for him and designed to be so 6000 years ago at the beginning of creation of space-time. He therefore had to win the Budapest race while half-sick and there were no 2 ways about it. We all know he didn't and that's that......
The sickness doesn't factor it, nor factor in as an excuse because it was all accounted for by the laws of space and time. Everything is.
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This thread has devolved into irrelevant points about Jakob. The main point is Kerr and his false claim of being the best 1500m runner in the world, while being overly arrogant about it.
Lolz you didn't get it. My point is Jakob ain't running a 3:27 solo in the final. Give Kerr the respect he has earned. He is the reigning outdoor world champ, a WR holder and reigning indoor world champ, and beat Jakob again not long ago. I expect him to run down Jakob again in the final.
Yes, Kerr should be respected. He is clearly now the only one who is near Jakob in the 1500m…
Yes correct. To be more precise, he is only one who has overtaken Jakob in the sprinting department at least. Josh Kerr IS NOT an inferior sprinter of the final 400m or final 200m of a mile or 1500m race compared to Jakob, and this must be drilled into the minds of all the folks worldwide. In fact, Josh Kerr is far and away the BETTER AND BEST sprinter of the final 400m of the 1500m/mile event on supershoes, not necessarily the best sprinter in an all-out 100m, 200m or 400m race. Get the drift???
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Just read an interesting article about him in the month’s Runners World. It talks about how his coach really works on timing his peak for the major championships. I guess we knew this.
They disagreed about him running the indoor world 3k though- Josh wanted to do it to win on home soil. Coach didn’t want him to (guess it didn’t t work with the schedule).
Then he broke the UK mile record. So he’s in the best shape he’s been. I’d argue this is why he’s backed off further racing of the 1500m. He can’t hold the peak for months and months. So I think it’s understandable and fair enough!
He’s been working towards this for years. Just because everyone wants to see him race more doesn’t mean he has to. Jakob is coming back from injury so needs to get race sharp. Kerr does not.
Sure, we can all dismiss explanations we don’t like with a one word reply…
Sure, we can all believe Jakob, a guy who hates losing, when he says he was sick. Did you get his temperature yourself? Did you do the COVID test to him? You choose to believe him, I choose not to. Enough words now?
I mean, Jakob was very visibly sick, especially during the 5k. Just look at how pale and discolored he was in the 5k and his grimacing. He just didn’t look right at all. You have to be an outright hater to pretend that he wasn’t sick.