Yes Biden should drop out for the good of America and the world. We cannot chance to have another term of Trump. Biden was consistently slightly behind Trump in the polls and the debate will only hurt Biden more.
It is similar to taking the car keys away from an elderly parent. The parent often thinks they can drive safely, but in reality they cannot. It is not easy for the children to approach the parent and it is not easy for the parent to accept.
Biden's debate performance will not be forgotten or spun. He has to drop out.
Something tells me he is just with-it enough to continue running for election…..
Let's makesomething clear. There's no shawdowy all powerful conspiracy in control. If you think any aspect of the political establishment has a real tangible long term plan you're a fool.
And I emphasize that becuase the lack of any vision for the future is becoming glaringly apparent in how the country is being managed right now and that is not set to change regardless of the victor of this years festivities.
In 2020 it was apparent that Biden's advanced age was a problem. Despite that all assurances were given that there was no question that he would run again for another term, right up until 5 months out from the election possibly!?
If this truly happens that's an alltime strategic blunder with the only saving grace being the ridicolous unpopularity of the other canidate for the democratic party (also there's millions of people in the country who could tear Trump a new one in a debate so the fact they've consecutive managed to find two idiots who can't is actually astounding).
Again, I emphasize because on pratically all fronts there clearly crises looming and everyone should have zero expectation our political leadership won't completely **** the bed when facing those forseeable problems in the near future.
Some domestic Russian media calls Trump "America's Gorbachev". What is apt about that is the anaology of contemporary American politics to the USSRs era of stagnation and deep corruption in it's late years. The USSR seemed like an everpresent monolith right up until the spectacular mismanagement of the state could no longer hide and it all came crashing down rapidly. Without drastic course correction I very much fear that may, and if you're an idiot maggot I remind you that displays like 1/6 are exactly the kind of things that destablize countries and brings chaos, God help you if you lived through 2020 and seriously can't see that putting that man back in power will have any outcome that isn't catastrophic.
I want to gesture about faith our youth can soon inherit power and fix this but I'd be lying
I bet they pull Hillary Clinton off the bench. Which is interestingly probably better than either which I can't believe I'm saying as a sane person. WNBA was on at bar and Caitlyn Clark has made the game with watching. Wow.
The dems lose no matter who they decide to nominate: Commie Newsom, Mayor Bootyplug, Big Mike or Wicked Witchmer are not defeating Trump.
Probably not but they stand a better chance than an unelectable Biden. If nothing else it will at least lessen the damage.
Let me be clear, the dems have a ZERO percent chance to defeat Trump in November. Perhaps you may have a chance to retain the Senate majority but I doubt even that will happen.
Short of a Trump assassination by some crazed wackjob or an alien invasion from outer space, he's taking the oath of office next January.
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I bet they pull Hillary Clinton off the bench. Which is interestingly probably better than either which I can't believe I'm saying as a sane person. WNBA was on at bar and Caitlyn Clark has made the game with watching. Wow.
Nah, America hates dirty rotten Hillary and her pant suits.
Biden is not dropping out, so long as he is alive by election day. He is the nominee. The time to unseat him was last year. The media knew of his condition but by and large (and there were exceptions) hid his condition. Read Bari Weiss' piece on "They Knew" on Free Press.
Yes Biden should drop out for the good of America and the world. We cannot chance to have another term of Trump. Biden was consistently slightly behind Trump in the polls and the debate will only hurt Biden more.
It is similar to taking the car keys away from an elderly parent. The parent often thinks they can drive safely, but in reality they cannot. It is not easy for the children to approach the parent and it is not easy for the parent to accept.
Biden's debate performance will not be forgotten or spun. He has to drop out.
Probably not but they stand a better chance than an unelectable Biden. If nothing else it will at least lessen the damage.
Let me be clear, the dems have a ZERO percent chance to defeat Trump in November. Perhaps you may have a chance to retain the Senate majority but I doubt even that will happen.
Short of a Trump assassination by some crazed wackjob or an alien invasion from outer space, he's taking the oath of office next January.
Please drop the bravado. Trump has had the majority of Americans not choose him to be president twice nice. He never had an approval rating over 50%. He is the singularpy most loathed and hated man in Amaeica right now and a piece of a lettuce could challenge him in an election. (It's silence would probabpy perform better than Biden opening his mouth...)
Trump is a whopping 3 years younger than Biden, and has given brilliant proofs of his mental capacity by literally flipping a graph upsidedown to dispute his poor management of the pandemic, suggesting we should nuke hurricanes, etc...
America. Not any party. Not "the libs". The nation as a whole, is facing a leadership crisis.
Please take the red pill and see reality for what it is. Trump belongs as much in a retirement home as Biden and the national project of reversing this sorry state of affairs involves us doing away with fake division and false saviors. Both parties putting out men visibly not fit for much of anything to the naked eye out on a pedalstool is a pretty clear sign that these apparently so irrepairably different factions are really mostly the same.
This sports teams like "go my team screw your team" transformation of American politics is the real danger. That's not politics, that's reality TV, and it means the you the concerned citizen have been depolitized and no longer participate in the actual governance of the nation. If you want to learn about the horrific truth of where we're at as a nation I suggest you look up Managed Democracy and Inverted Tolitarianism, because I assure you the man who's campaign is finaced by private equity firms likw BlackStone is absolutely not your friend and not out to serve your interest
You forget that the winner does not need 51% or even 50%. The winner can have even less votes and still 'win'.
The ONLY way Biden drops out is if Trumps drop out.
It was one debate. Chill out. Both of these dudes are mentally impaired.
Trump had never had more than 47% of the vote. He lost 46.8 to 51.3 in 2020 and he 'won' in 2016 with 46.1 to 48.2 for Hillary.
He does not have more support in 2024 than in 2020.
Since Bush in '88 only Obama has won with 51%+. Bush '04 even has over 50% (50.7) riding high as a 'war-time president'.
All that to say....Trump will lose more than Biden will win.
Alan
Is this election denial?
No. I said he 'won', meaning he won via the rules we elect presidents by. He did not have more total votes than the opposition. That's just how the game is played.
My post was in response to someone rambling on about '51%' and I pointed out very few modern presidents have reached 51%.
The margins are narrow because most people are 'home team' voters. They will always vote for their party.
Let me be clear, the dems have a ZERO percent chance to defeat Trump in November.
Ummmm...an 80-year-old man with dementia is polling close to your boy, Trump.
Let's say that Biden steps aside and calls off his campaign, all of the news focus is going to be on the Democrats. Who's running? Who's ahead? Yadda...yadda... It will take up all of the oxygen in the room. Trump won't like being ignored and he can't really land any attacks because he doesn't know who his opponent is. He'll pick a dull lapdog for VP and that will get him some headlines. The GOP Convention will be a dull news event because they have no enemy to attack other than Biden (not running) and Dems in general. Knowing Trump, he'll start spouting more outlandish stuff to get attention which gives Dems loads of attack ad content when they settle on a candidate.
The Dems will keep the suspense high until right before their convention and that will be a huge coming out party for their ticket. I'm going to guess that they go young and smart: Whitmer/Newsome 2024.
With a woman at the top of the ticket, they will go hard on reproductive rights and Mom issues. They will attack SCOTUS. They will constantly bring up Trump's very checkered past with women plus his attitudes and behavior. They will bait Trump into saying really offensive things about Whitmer and women. The cherry on top? Taylor Swift comes out strong for the ticket encouraging her fans to save democracy, save reproductive rights, and to exercise their strength by electing the first woman POTUS.
If Biden stays they gift the White House to the Republicans. If he goes goes (especially if he goes willingly) then they still have a chance but it will be difficult.
The Dems have put themselves in a lose/lose situation. Doing nothing is the safe and easy option but it won’t win the election. Imagine running an 80 year old candidate for two campaigns whose only redeeming feature is that he isn’t Trump. Surely someone saw this coming.
The dems lose no matter who they decide to nominate: Commie Newsom, Mayor Bootyplug, Big Mike or Wicked Witchmer are not defeating Trump.
Whoever the Democrats nominate, they will get my vote. I would vote for SATAN before tRump.
It'll be Kamala and they'll lose badly. Biden's DEI pick is coming back to haunt them.
Haha, Kamala is the one person who cannot win vs Trump. She would lose running against no one.
The only votes she would get would be the looters she set free during the Floyd summer of love gatherings. Only problem with that is that those folks don't vote. So...
It'll be Kamala and they'll lose badly. Biden's DEI pick is coming back to haunt them.
Haha, Kamala is the one person who cannot win vs Trump. She would lose running against no one.
The only votes she would get would be the looters she set free during the Floyd summer of love gatherings. Only problem with that is that those folks don't vote. So...
They can't dump her for a white dude. Be suicide for them.
For better or worse, Biden will be the (D) candidate for POTUS in November. It’s just not logistically or legally possible to replace him on all state ballots at this point. The major party conventions are no longer truly nominating conventions any longer. Because we have a hodgepodge system of state election laws, Biden wouldn’t be allowed on some state ballots if he were replaced now or at the convention. Plus the GOP would almost certainly try and complicate things by legally challenging anyone the Dems put up to replace Biden—and given the way courts work (slowly) in the US this would doom any replacement for Biden. So, Biden will be the candidate unless he dies before November.
I do think Trump is likely to win in this rematch scenario but that isn’t a sure thing despite what Trumpers on this site say. Biden could still win, there is a lot of time between now and November and a lot can still happen.
