Mo Katir admits whereabouts failures -- banned 2 years and will miss '24 Olympics

You can take or leave my claim -- it hardly makes any difference to me, and I feel no duty to do any more than I already have. If you need 2 moderators to confirm or deny your empty allegations, good luck with your investigation. I find it curious you choose to want to aggressively pursue this path to nowhere, but as a grown adult, you can suit yourself.

It's funny. I don't want to have a conversation with you about Christ either. But somehow, here we are talking about something apparently neither of us want to talk about, and no one else wants to hear. I thought I made it clear that at least 70% of the world population do not share Christian beliefs. The first question I have is what would make the beliefs of the remaining 30% any different than the other 70%? Have you studied Buddha? Have you investigated and studied Greek and Roman scriptures before rejecting their polytheist beliefs? Have you read ancient Egyptian scriptures before rejecting the deities of Ra and Horus and Anubis and Osiris? What does your God-fearing Pastor say about these other religious texts?

I feel like you are setting a trap by asking for my definition of God, as if an omniscient timeless spaceless metaphysical being would be a subservient slave to the definitions of mere mortal men who pop in and out of existence like your electrons and sub-atomic particles. For me, gods always fit into the gaps in between man's knowledge. That is why the nature of gods evolve with the passing of time and varies among the different groups of people, as their earthly knowledge and experience accumulates. Even narrowly confining yourself to Christianity, you can see for yourself this evolution by comparing the Old and New Testaments, or comparing the various denominations from Greek Orthodox to the Latter Day Saints. The first religion among the earliest men was driven by their fear of the dark: the light represents everything good and safe and becomes the giver of life, while the dark represents evil and danger and risk of death.

I’m going to keep this post simple: Shelby would have been smart not to have answered the door. Worst case scenario- 2 year ban.

Yes, she got outsmarted by Katir: fly to Portugal, dope all you want, come back. High risk, high reward. Worst case scenario: 2 year ban. Or nada if you can get strike 1 or 2 canceled because of ADAMS software issues (which he tried).

But if Centro wasn't in on it, she had no choice but to open the door. Or maybe she expected breakfast delivery, or had already 2 strikes and thought she'd be under the legal limit, or or or...

Katir has been on the Jakob juice

But why go to Portugal where the testers easily could reach you -why not somewhere remote..?

This isn't very accurate. I did not say God is ever-changing. Your were more accurate above when you said "people's beliefs about God evolve" -- it is the beliefs of people that change with the person and over space and time.

This just another clear example of the false conclusions you draw, based on your own subjective interpretation rather than the objective written word.

True Christians should also not be offended to learn that they share this planet with many non-Christians who would have very different responses to your initial question about the existence of God.

Since you think there is a "fair" 50% chance that I am lying, it must be similarly "fair" that everything you say has a 50% chance of being a lie.

Not sure why asking for proof is hypocritical, but I usually don't ask for proofs here, but rather objective evidence, facts, and controlled observations.

Good luck with your anonymous handle investigation, and keep the faith.

Please take this rubbish to another forum.

The thing is, I'm not being personally attacked in other forums. I would like to take your earlier advice and ignore the trolls -- but I do not share your faith that they will go away no matter how much I close my eyes and plug my ears. And leaving it unrpunished does the world a disservice.

Just look at page 1, and anyone can see for themselves how I was trolled, without any prior provocation, three times by two posters. You might think the provocation is in other threads, but it is always the same pattern in those other Katir threads too. And just take a good look at the last few pages, at the vitriol that is directed personally towards me by one of these same posters, despite his own "fair" calculation and concession of a 50% doubt, for the content of posts I did not make, and ironically and hypocritically impugning my character and doubling and tripling down on the basis of his 50% doubt, while claiming to be on the high road with a superior morality. So much for turning the other cheek. (For those who may not know Christian doctrines: "Turning the other cheek is a phrase in Christian doctrine from the Sermon on the Mount that refers to responding to insult without retort.")

As part of his series of personal attacks, I was expressly solicited to "give concrete non-ambiguous opinions about moral issues", right after being asked "Can God be proven?", and and right before being called "a liar and Lucifer".

You may think these trolling attacks on me are "a psychology of attention seeking behaviour", but I'm not so sure. What else can these posts to me be, except for explicit demands for me to respond with my own reasoned and thoughtful opinions? I always assume if someone responds to me in a discussion forum, it can only mean they want to discuss something with me. And if someone disparages me, I am free to exercise my right to defend my character without any further expectation of being subjected to more personal attacks.

But I'm not complaining because I always consider the source. While you may not like it, I actually welcome these continuous open and personal invitations for me to express my opinions. Nothing makes me happier than to help separate unfounded myths from objective realities by repeatedly pointing out the substantive gaps and fallacies and contradictions in a broad range of arguments and conclusions, whether it is on the topics of exercise physiology, Brexit, flat-earth, moon-landings, Trump crimes, vaccine conspiracy theories, doping-enabled performance, or in this case of Katir, whether a whereabouts violation, which does not involve or identify any banned substance or method at any time, can begin to confirm suspicions of previous performance and progression as fueled by banned substances or methods.

Cheers.

This is what they get when they sell their skins for other countries.

At the first opportunity they turn their back on you.

None will convince that this forum (generally the western countries) are full of racism and hatred.

You made your proofs.

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SHAME ON SPAIN CELAD

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Spain hid other cases such as those of Mo Katir that will not be sanctioned

Relevo has had access to documentation about the failed controls that were not notified to the athletes or registered with the World Anti-Doping Agency.

The Spanish anti-doping agency hid failed controls on athletes who were not at the designated location due to the surprise visit of the control agent. According to documentation to which Relevo has had access, the CELAD (Spanish Anti-Doping Commission in Sports) cheated and did not even record many of the failed controls - those that are attempted to be carried out out of competition at the place and time indicated by the athlete - ordered and planned by the agency itself.
As in the case of Mo Katir, sanctioned by the international athletics federation (World Athletics, WA) for failing to appear up to three times at the designated location, those athletes included in the control group of the Spanish anti-doping agency or its corresponding international federation must anticipate their daily location on a quarterly basis , specify travel and competition schedules, and include the hours available to undergo "out-of-competition" anti-doping controls.
When they are notified that they have been included in these monitoring groups, they must incorporate all that information at the beginning of each quarter in their Adams (Anti-Doping Administration & Management System) profile , the platform of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). where athletes can easily report their location , request authorization for therapeutic use (permission to consume prohibited substances under medical prescription) or find out their doping control results. Adams also allows supervision by the world body and favors international coordination at an information level between all national agencies to avoid, among other things, redundant controls.
For last-minute changes, WADA makes a mobile application available to athletes, Athlete Central - available for IOS and Android -, with which changes can be made regarding their whereabouts at any time. It also allows modification of the so-called "location window" (the time chosen by the athlete himself to carry out out-of-competition controls), although given the importance of the surprise factor in the anti-doping fight, controls can also be carried out outside of competition. chosen time, between 6 a.m. and 11 p.m. During this period, the athlete must be reachable at the indicated whereabouts, even if it is not the time chosen for out-of-competition controls.
In the event of accumulating three failed controls in a 12-month period, that is, those that are attempted out of competition but in which the athlete is not at the designated place and time, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) will consider it as doping and the athlete in question will be sanctioned based on the World Anti-Doping Code. However, the Spanish agency did not process numerous failed controls received, so some athletes in the monitoring group, despite having accumulated infractions for non-compliance with their location, have the counter at zero when facing a possible sanction such as that of Mo Katir .
Since it was not processed, and therefore, the athlete in question was not notified, they remained in the usual limbo of the CELAD , where there are also some files without sanction for a Biological Passport , several whose control was carried out irregularly by a single agent that prevented the subsequent sanction in case of positive and others who were granted a retroactive therapeutic use authorization to "cover" the positive . The management of recent years has left an increasingly larger hole in the highest body for the fight against doping in Spain.
The processing of a failure: notification to the athlete, allegations and registration in Adams
Upon receiving documentation of a failed control by the agent , CELAD must, according to Spanish regulations - which refers in this matter to the World Anti-Doping Code and its International Standard for results management -, process said control as soon as possible. possible. According to WADA regulations, it is recommended that the agency process the ruling within the next 14 days from the date of the ruling on the athlete's whereabouts to notify him of his absence from a control. Once communicated, the athlete also has a period of 14 days to admit the whereabouts failure or give an explanation. If the agency deems the justification appropriate, it will record its decision in Adams . Otherwise, if it is considered that the requirements to consider it failed are met, the athlete will be notified of its resolution and the failure will be recorded.
Furthermore, the regulations indicate that if the anti-doping organization did not process a failed control, and therefore, did not notify the athlete so that he could make a claim, any subsequent failed test would be neutralized by that irregularity , as occurred in the case of Adel. Mechaal . The athlete, sanctioned in 2017 like Mo Katir for accumulating three failures to appear in his location during a year, appealed to the Court of International Sports Arbitration (CAS). "The second failed test that was attempted on the athlete took place on January 24, 2016, that is, five days before the athlete actually became aware of his first failed test" was what the Court stated in its resolution with the that acquitted Mechaal even though the CAS was aware that the athlete "made it clear that his way of acting denotes a worrying lack of knowledge of his obligations regarding location/whereabouts."
However, Relevo has had access to documentation that shows that CELAD, under the direction of Jesús Muñoz-Guerra, head of the Doping Control Department, arbitrarily hid failures of athletes that should have been registered in Adams and, in some cases, would have motivated a sanction by accumulating more than three violations for non-compliance with location in a period of 12 months. That is to say, there are Spanish athletes who should have been sanctioned like Mo Katir but the management of the Spanish anti-doping agency prevented it.
In the face of failed controls that had not been processed for months despite the fact that the recommendation was 14 days for administrative management, Muñoz-Guerra's order was clear: "With the time that has passed, in this case, we could lift the violation ," he arrived. to indicate. In other cases, however, they simply resolved with an ex officio notification after an informal email from an athlete alleging that his passwords in Adams did not work and, therefore, he could not change the location in his profile . The extraordinary thing is that said notification that "forgave" the failure reached the athlete about a year later and without having followed the official channel in its processing: "In view of the allegations presented, said case has been resolved considering that said case will not be counted. control as failed". Like these examples, there are numerous cases in which the athlete's counter, despite not being reachable at the whereabouts and time that he had previously chosen, was, again and arbitrarily, at zero.
Another of the patterns that Jesús Muñoz-Guerra followed as head of the Doping Control Department and María del Mar Plata as head of the Results Evaluation Unit in the face of failed controls was to indicate to the control agents displaced to the locations indicated by the Athletes in follow-up who will wait at the indicated whereabouts until the athlete in question can be tested even if the so-called "location window" has been exceeded, that is, the regulatory time in which the athlete himself previously commits to being at that location. specific whereabouts. Sometimes the mission even lasted several days until the control could be carried out.
Although the agents, as indicated in the regulations, sent the complete failed attempt form with the corresponding evidence in the absence of the athlete, on numerous occasions they were instructed to carry out the subsequent control under the same "mission number." This would be a correct practice based on the regulations as long as both controls were subsequently processed, the failed one and the one that could finally be carried out. But sometimes this was not the case and the Spanish anti-doping agency only recorded the control carried out and not the failed test due to the athlete's failure to appear.
A key: the amounts paid for failed controls were much lower than the payments for the tests carried out
Some of the athletes with whom Relevo has contacted say that during the time set for carrying out the control, some agents insist a lot on the phone until they are located . They even confirm that, on occasions, if they were located through this route even if they were not in person at the indicated whereabouts, they would meet with them and carry out the check. "They insist a lot." However, this practice is prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Code as it would allow the taking of a masking agent , usually diuretics, which would neutralize the presence of prohibited substances in the body and therefore put in check the anti-doping fight in our country.
But why did the control agent decide to break the regulation? This "flexibility" highlights one of the major gaps surrounding failed controls : the financial compensation received by the successful bidder companies in charge of carrying out the controls. As Relevo has been able to confirm, the payment from the Spanish anti-doping agency to companies for failed controls is much less than for controls carried out. For this reason, companies like PWC asked their agents to insist until the test was carried out in order to be able to invoice the control carried out instead of a failed test, since the financial amount was reduced to an amount less than half of what is paid for the doping control carried out.
However, some agents and companies responsible for carrying out the controls rejected this possibility. They knew the regulations and knew that this practice was prohibited. In those cases, the agency's instructions changed: the order was to send the failed control form and the completed control form , yes, under the same mission number. In this way, although CELAD paid for both controls, for the purposes of the World Anti-Doping Agency and arbitrarily, in some cases they only recorded the one carried out and, therefore, it was not counted for sanctioning purposes within the three occasions that an athlete can incur non-compliance with the indicated location for 12 months.

relevo.com

So then if people's beliefs about God has changed, then for them God must have changed irrespective of whether ultimately God didn't change. You hinted to me your definition of God is those that is most like filling in gaps in human knowledge etc so for you to make a statement that people's beliefs about God being able to be changed in space and time without God actually also changing in the same due to those changing beliefs is contradictory and inconsistent beyond all rooms for error. Yours isn't even logical fallacy, it's an integral or fundamental fallacy (aka corrupt morality).

".......based on objective written word"

Unfortunately, only God's words in Scripture can ever be objective-cuum-subjective as ONE-NESS. Man, like me and you, can never invoke true objectivity until and unless he/she comes explicitly in the name of the Lord or recites bible versus and Scripture and argue using them as PREMISES AND BASES and all relevant scientific evidence only in secondary aid!!! That is true objectivity-cuum-subjectivity as ONE-NESS!!! Do you know a single bible verse???

Yes I recognize that you are a non-Christian at least and question and doubt the very accuracy of Scripture, faith, true-Christians, God fearing etc, and I don't have a problem with that. There is a only a problem when you embed subtly corrupt and evil insinuations against my religion or true Christianity not because you yourself are a true Christian and trying to defend the religion faithfully like me but rather as a stepping stone or launchpad to discredit the religion and its believers just because you couldn't accept that there are others on the forum who believed you have profaned and attacked my sexuality using another name, or, have been found out of having at least a 50% chance of doing so!!!

Enough said!!! Your conscience will haunt you whether or not 50%, 80% or 100%.

The 50% call only comes into existence or application whenever an immoral or profane offence has been detected or reasonably expected to be suspicious of!!!!!

So don't you come telling me 'everything I say' about 'everything' including I suppose anthropogenic RF and EMFs and its deadly killing effects has a now 50% chance of being a lie!!!! There is nothing immoral, profane or sexually immoral or tend to be sexually immoral about independent scientists claiming and now even proving anthropogenic RFs and EMFs are deadly poisons for your nervous system so the 50% rule does not and cannot apply to all these comments or posts of mine.

It doesn't even apply to me calling you out for sexually immorally profaning my body and my name because it's also not an immoral or sexually immoral offence for me to do, believe or suspect so given the perfect susceptibility of synchrony in space and time of your rekrunner comments and the comments from anonymous handles subsequentlly profaning my sexual body!!!

Okay let me suit you---asking for objective evidence, facts and controlled observations is hypocritical then.

I will be observing your behavior henceforth. If a blasphemous anonymous handle like 'Jebus Christ' ever pops up again or similar, you know I will think it's you for a purifying and purging purpose and not because 'I made a mistake' or 'I want to falsely accuse you' etc. That's how I will interpret it and you can't change me! The same way I can't change the way you interpret Katir, Salazar, Kara, NOPers etc.

If you don't want me to question your subjectivity, don't come questioning mine.

Johnathan Gault and Rojo are definitely marked as a non neutral speakers with a background working for some American runners.

I give the example of Morhad Amdouni in France who was similarly pursued by racist doubts by some French coachs and runners.

This is a recent article on the subject.

Are people who doubt Morhad Amdouni racist?

Morhad Amdouni is a French athlete of Tunisian origin, born in Corsica.

Morhad Amdouni recently set a new French record during the Seville marathon, with an impressive time of 2h03'47. This remarkable performance also earned him the third ticket to represent France at the Paris Olympic Games. However, despite these sporting successes, criticism persists around his career , raising questions about his integrity and fueling debates about the legitimacy of his performances.
In 2019, Morhad Amdouni faced doping allegations from German media outlet ARD. Email exchanges between the Frenchman and an alleged supplier of banned substances were disclosed, thus casting a shadow of doubt on his reputation.
These accusations were followed by a series of setbacks, including the refusal of integration into the Quartz Elite program due to irregularities in his blood parameters, as well as the end of his collaboration with his trainer and his manager.
Jean Claude Vollmer, before he was his coach, had publicly questioned the validity of his performances, questioning his rapid transition to the marathon and expressing reservations about his timers. Jean Claude Vollmer had expressed doubts about the performance of his new protégé, particularly after the Paris marathon in 2019.
The events that followed, such as the training in Doha followed by a surprise package at the World Championship, reinforced the suspicions surrounding Morhad Amdouni. Additionally, his training in Kenya without official approval from the French Athletics Federation attracted additional criticism, fueling speculation about his training methods and preparation.
However, despite persistent doubts and criticism from some, notably Félix Bour and Mehdi Frère, the doping allegations against Morhad Amdouni have never been supported by tangible evidence . Neither the French Anti-Doping Agency nor Oclaesp have managed to build a solid case against the athlete, thus leaving doubt about the legitimacy of the accusations brought against him.
Jean Claude Vollmer himself, after being initially skeptical, chose to return as coach of Morhad Amdouni, highlighting the absence of concrete elements justifying the suspicions surrounding the athlete. He has even expressed his support for Amdouni, advocating in his favor and denouncing what he considers to be an unjustified cabal against him.

It is important to recognize that criticism of Morhad Amdouni may be influenced by bias, including racial prejudice.

It is true that in certain contexts, white athletes may benefit from greater leniency compared to their non-white counterparts.
Examples like Angermund recently, a white trail athlete, who has received widespread support despite similar controversies , raise questions about possible racial bias in sports. The case of the Kenyan runners in Sierre-Zinal, who may not have received the same level of understanding or support, highlights potential inequalities in the perception and treatment of athletes based on their ethnic origin.
Thus, it is necessary to objectively examine criticism of Morhad Amdouni and recognize that social factors may influence public perception and reactions to doping allegations or controversial sporting performances. Only through fair and impartial assessment can justice and integrity in sports be guaranteed.

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Evidently not, as you continued to post.

You misunderstand. Although some were indeed forced to change their beliefs about their god(s), e.g. by missionaries and crusades, often by force against their will under threat of death (in line with the 10 Commandments?), the kinds of belief change I refer to occur with the passing of time from generation to generation, as earthly knowledge evolves, or sometimes just with the changing of kings, or the set of beliefs differ depending on the particular group of people selected, with their own beliefs handed to them from their own parents and their local history.

You refer to "God's words" but also referred me to a version of the bible where God's words were translated and edited by King James in the 1600s. King James was a man who was not satisfied with earlier English Geneva and Bishops bibles, which were created and published in the mid-1500s.

When you lack objectivity, your margin of error is +/- 50%.

I am both happy and indifferent when you question my subjectivity. I did not come questioning your subjectivity. I asked you for objectivity. You keep insisting your brand of subjectivity+objectivity is superior, but you often forget to include the objectivity.

Keep the faith!

But if a side point on this, but I loved listening to Coffee Club with Oli Hoare saying updating whereabouts is just about being professional and Katir was stupid for failing to do so. This is the same Oli Hoare who also said on the podcast that he was buying his supplements from Amazon because they were cheaper. Athletes do very stupid things more often than we'd like to think.

"You refer to "God's words" but also referred me to a version of the bible where God's words were translated and edited by King James in the 1600s. King James was a man who was not satisfied with earlier English Geneva and Bishops bibles, which were created and published in the mid-1500s."

So what's your damn issue here??? I don't want any more emotionally and spiritually uncommitted vapid and empty rationalization of this and that, Salazar, God, NOPer, sport performance, RF/EMFs from you. I want a YES OR NO answer from you and not a clinic of half-baked and seemingly infertile and libido-less justifications and arguments that lacks a clear-cut stance, moral or otherwise, on any and every subject of our discussion from Salazar, God, NOPer, RF/EMF, sport performance etc.

I give you an example of statements I, and everybody else, don't want to hear from you on LRC:

"There is no objective evidence of Salazar being a doper and promoting doping as means to gain unfair advantage for his NOP athletes."

Instead I and everybody else want to hear statements like this:

"There is lots of infinitely more superior subjective+circumstantial evidence of Salazar, including first hand eyewitness accounts, apologetic to doping and its methodology. In particular, the circumstances that surrounded Salazar's investigation and his entire NOP team is so circumstantially+subjectively fraught and/or susceptible that any presumption of objective evidence in support of the null-hypothesis (that Salazar did not dope anybody) is at best tenuous and at worst foolhardy!!!!! Thus, I rekrunner, will take the outright stance, like a real solid masculine, that Salazar is at least probably a doper if not a guaranteed one!!!"

We on LRC want you to commit to a form of persuasion (reasoning) that applies to everything and everybody including God.

Rather than tell me 10 vague counter-arguments why God as an idea, person, Scripture or otherwise mightn't be reliable or otherwise, we want you to save all these BS and just go straight to the point----Do you believe in Jesus Christ the Savior God?? Are you a Christian, much less a True God-fearing Christian???

Don't tell me how a simple google search reveals how God or Scripture could be otherwise fallacious or whatever corruptible, tell me about you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanna know you deeply, dear rekrunner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where do you allegiances and beliefs lie. If you think its agnostic then cut straight to the chase for once, do you understand sir????????????????????

Be like me, Khamis, a real tough as nuts RF male masculine!!!!! Be committed to something.....women find such men really attractive as well if you are single and unattached!!

As per my analysis, it is estimated that Roman Empire athletes won all distance running golds at the Ancient Olympics held between 200 BC and 393 AD. Yet at the 1992 and 1996 Games, not a single Italian athlete won a distance gold medal. This clearly proves that a belief that EPO confers any performance benefit is based entirely on prejudice and not scientific evidence.