A skeptical person who believes in innocence until proven guilty. I listened to her voice and it sounded like she was speaking from the mouth.
What if 10 other women came forward but only had their memories of the events as evidence? Is that enough? What about 9 women? Eight? Seven? How many is enough for people on this thread.
I don't know the number but at some point it is enough to "prove" guilt in America. It is called witness testimony. If ten other women come forward, will all these trolls apologize to Kara? I hope they would.
What if pigs could fly? What if the laws of the universe were fundamentally changed? What a naive binary mind you have without capability for nuance, doubt, or the concept of probability.
Claudio Reyna being a jack@ss and Alberto Salazar being abusive are "news" this week yet things anyone paying attention has known for YEARS. What an odd week.
Anyway, it is very telling that the diehard Kara hater(/haters) dwindled after the # of anonymous user handles per thread were limited a couple years ago and have decreased even more on threads requiring a registered anonymous handle.
Claudio Reyna being a jack@ss and Alberto Salazar being abusive are "news" this week yet things anyone paying attention has known for YEARS. What an odd week.
Anyway, it is very telling that the diehard Kara hater(/haters) dwindled after the # of anonymous user handles per thread were limited a couple years ago and have decreased even more on threads requiring a registered anonymous handle.
Some of us have no reason to hate Kara or like Alberto, but do have a reason of philosophical principle to believe in innocence until proven guilty.
I haven't read the book nor the articles. Can someone answer this for me?
Does the book say how she responded to the unwanted touching? When did she realize he'd crossed the line? Was it only after #3 that it was obvious #1 and #2 had crossed the line?
With Nike's resources, having Salazar give massages is a big red flag. They could hire a professional masseuse and she would do a better job than a self-taught coach . Salazar, aside from the allegations, seems to lack a sense perspective given his importance to Nike and to his runners. To no ones surprise, he is egocentric.
Claudio Reyna being a jack@ss and Alberto Salazar being abusive are "news" this week yet things anyone paying attention has known for YEARS. What an odd week.
Anyway, it is very telling that the diehard Kara hater(/haters) dwindled after the # of anonymous user handles per thread were limited a couple years ago and have decreased even more on threads requiring a registered anonymous handle.
Some of us have no reason to hate Kara or like Alberto, but do have a reason of philosophical principle to believe in innocence until proven guilty.
And somehow most of you vanish or create a new account as of today when you have to be registered to post on a thread.
Some of us have no reason to hate Kara or like Alberto, but do have a reason of philosophical principle to believe in innocence until proven guilty.
And somehow most of you vanish or create a new account as of today when you have to be registered to post on a thread.
We are just playing by the site’s rules. What’s wrong with not wanting your other posts on this site to be associated with a particularly unpopular opinion on this thread?
Sadly, we live in a world where accusations are guilt. I am a little shocked by many of these posts. What matters is the law of the and how it works. A person is innocent until proven guilty by facts.
Also, feelings are not facts. Facts are required for convictions and seem to be inconvenient in an age where everyone is a self proclaimed "victim".
Also, making defamatory remarks without facts opens you up for libel and damages. At the same time, not choosing to sue a false accuser is NOT an admission of guilt.
And somehow most of you vanish or create a new account as of today when you have to be registered to post on a thread.
We are just playing by the site’s rules. What’s wrong with not wanting your other posts on this site to be associated with a particularly unpopular opinion on this thread?
I don't doubt that you don't want to have a history of your comments, even anonymously.
Sadly, we live in a world where accusations are guilt. I am a little shocked by many of these posts. What matters is the law of the and how it works. A person is innocent until proven guilty by facts.
Also, feelings are not facts. Facts are required for convictions and seem to be inconvenient in an age where everyone is a self proclaimed "victim".
Also, making defamatory remarks without facts opens you up for libel and damages. At the same time, not choosing to sue a false accuser is NOT an admission of guilt.
So why was he banned for life? Because people didn't like his haircut?
The logic you idiots use is so bizarre. It's like you watch someone dig a hole, others make reference on the hole digging, an independent council finds him guilty of it, and then several years later someone again comments on it, and you're shocked, SHOCKED at the implication. As if this is the first time it's ever come up!
To believe he's innocent and railroaded, you have to believe the following, not just some but all of it: that everyone who ever referenced it is lying, that SafeSport railroaded him, and that Goucher is lying several years after the fact about something that has been adjudicated by SafeSport to be true, to such an extent that he was BANNED FOR LIFE FROM THE SPORT.
To believe he's guilty, you only have to follow the incredibly well-established pattern that points to it.
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It says that she addresses those allegations, not that she is making any.
She made them if you watch the interview. She said he "personally massaged" her more than once and she "felt his finger going where it shouldn't be going."
We are just playing by the site’s rules. What’s wrong with not wanting your other posts on this site to be associated with a particularly unpopular opinion on this thread?
I don't doubt that you don't want to have a history of your comments, even anonymously.
Can’t help lack of reading comprehension or common sense. Every identifier has a history and every identifier is equally anonymous. You don’t seem to understand the concept of association.
Sadly, we live in a world where accusations are guilt. I am a little shocked by many of these posts. What matters is the law of the and how it works. A person is innocent until proven guilty by facts.
Also, feelings are not facts. Facts are required for convictions and seem to be inconvenient in an age where everyone is a self proclaimed "victim".
Also, making defamatory remarks without facts opens you up for libel and damages. At the same time, not choosing to sue a false accuser is NOT an admission of guilt.
So why was he banned for life? Because people didn't like his haircut?
The logic you idiots use is so bizarre. It's like you watch someone dig a hole, others make reference on the hole digging, an independent council finds him guilty of it, and then several years later someone again comments on it, and you're shocked, SHOCKED at the implication. As if this is the first time it's ever come up!
So why was he banned for life? Because people didn't like his haircut?
The logic you idiots use is so bizarre. It's like you watch someone dig a hole, others make reference on the hole digging, an independent council finds him guilty of it, and then several years later someone again comments on it, and you're shocked, SHOCKED at the implication. As if this is the first time it's ever come up!
Why doesn't he get his day in court?
...do you seriously not understand the difference of proof burden between a civil trial, a criminal trial, SafeSport, and common knowledge? Or are you an idiot who is arguing in bad faith?
Sadly, we live in a world where accusations are guilt. I am a little shocked by many of these posts. What matters is the law of the and how it works. A person is innocent until proven guilty by facts.
Also, feelings are not facts. Facts are required for convictions and seem to be inconvenient in an age where everyone is a self proclaimed "victim".
Also, making defamatory remarks without facts opens you up for libel and damages. At the same time, not choosing to sue a false accuser is NOT an admission of guilt.
So why was he banned for life? Because people didn't like his haircut?
The logic you idiots use is so bizarre. It's like you watch someone dig a hole, others make reference on the hole digging, an independent council finds him guilty of it, and then several years later someone again comments on it, and you're shocked, SHOCKED at the implication. As if this is the first time it's ever come up!
To believe he's innocent and railroaded, you have to believe the following, not just some but all of it: that everyone who ever referenced it is lying, that SafeSport railroaded him, and that Goucher is lying several years after the fact about something that has been adjudicated by SafeSport to be true, to such an extent that he was BANNED FOR LIFE FROM THE SPORT.
To believe he's guilty, you only have to follow the incredibly well-established pattern that points to it.
Sorry, you are plain wrong. None of us had heard anything about sexual assault until a year or so back. There is an entire thread where everyone was confusedly discussing what the hell “emotional and sexual misconduct” charge in his ban even meant when there wasn’t a prior accusation of sexual misconduct. We were all wondering if somehow his fat shaming was construed as sexual because it has something to do with a women.
Until very recently, no one knew for sure it was even Kara, and there was no other reported history of sexual misconduct. Doubt isn’t atrocious in this case.
So why was he banned for life? Because people didn't like his haircut?
Good question. He was found guilty by SafeSport, and thereafter also in arbitration, and yes, he had lawyers and got to defend himself there both times. That is all public knowledge.
The saddest part is not really the trolls here but rather that Kara didn't come forward 10 - 15 years ago. That would have saved lots of athletes from that abuser.
So why was he banned for life? Because people didn't like his haircut?
Good question. He was found guilty by SafeSport, and thereafter also in arbitration, and yes, he had lawyers and got to defend himself there both times. That is all public knowledge.
The saddest part is not really the trolls here but rather that Kara didn't come forward 10 - 15 years ago. That would have saved lots of athletes from that abuser.
The arbitration sounds like a “she said” ruling. Here is what NYT has to say about that arbitration: “Salazar asked for an arbitration hearing, where he denied the accusations and said he did not speak with or see the runner on the days in question. The arbitrator did not find Salazar’s explanation credible, and accepted his accuser’s version of events.”
WSJ says “In December 2021, an arbitrator upheld Salazar’s ban for sexual misconduct, leaving him permanently ineligible to coach.”
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