The whole obsession with RBC boosting is silly anyway. Our body reacts to changes in pace by moving plasma out of the bloodstream to increase hemoconcentration, and back in again when we need it.
I learned this 30 years ago. It never gets discussed. Why? No profits to be made?
While you are probably right (based on past dopers), I like to think that there is a 10% chance he is clean. I just want to hold off on calling people "liars and frauds" until the process has run its course. I agree that you are most likely right, but I've got my fingers crossed that this was some kind of mess up.
Nice guys can be cheaters, so saying that I met him this Summer and that he was super nice, has ZERO impact on his guilt or innocence. But yes, he was very friendly. He was drinking a beer with Hassan Mead at the airport. Both guys were super chill and took time to talk to a random fan of the sport (me).
While you are probably right (based on past dopers), I like to think that there is a 10% chance he is clean. I just want to hold off on calling people "liars and frauds" until the process has run its course. I agree that you are most likely right, but I've got my fingers crossed that this was some kind of mess up.
Nice guys can be cheaters, so saying that I met him this Summer and that he was super nice, has ZERO impact on his guilt or innocence. But yes, he was very friendly. He was drinking a beer with Hassan Mead at the airport. Both guys were super chill and took time to talk to a random fan of the sport (me).
So what you're saying is Peter got some of those contaminated vending machine energy drinks
Isn't his 800m progression just like .5 second (if at all!) a year for the last five years? That doesn't seem too weird. He's only 1.4 seconds faster than he was 7 years ago.
I don't see a weird "jump" in his abilities. If anything, the weird thing is how long he was just "very good" without really breaking through to some "next level." Wasn't our local boy, Nick Symmonds a 1:42.9 runner? Even with the purported EPO use, Bol wasn't sniffing a time like that at any point, right?
It would be refreshing if someone gets busted and their social media post says, “yes I did it. I wanted to win at all costs.”
It would be even more refreshing if so many of you stopped promoting the PED concept.
But then you would have to learn some basic Biology and that's far less appealing to you isn't it?
What do you mean "promoting the PED concept"? Who is promoting the concept. We hate that PEDs make it impossible to really believe in our own sport. We hate PEDs because they rob clean athletes and elevate cheaters. We hate PEDs but nobody seems to be promoting them on this thread.
Or did you mean that we are promoting the idea that they work and you don't agree with that? If they didn't work, why would so many people (including masters runners) be dropping PRs when they go on them?
Biology sounds a lot like Rekrunner. Enough said. The question is why are all these men and women distance runners being caught taking EPO? They and their advisers are obviously wrong huh?
So what you're saying is Peter got some of those contaminated vending machine energy drinks
Nope. I think he probably straight-up doped. EPO is not something that just shows up in a batch of Clif bars and protein powders you get in the nutrition aisle at your local grocery store. He is probably, like loads of others before him, a cheater.
What I was suggesting is that there are rare examples of screw-ups when large groups of people try to adjudicate a case like this. I prefer to wait until I have more information and final results before I close the book on a human being. I have my whole life to not respect Peter Bol's choices and not be a fan. So it won't hurt me to wait a few months for all the details to come out.
Say his B sample comes back positive. Then you have to really start questioning the motives behind why he would do what he did.
Pete’s had a ridiculous amount of drug tests in 2022 and the only one that comes back positive is the one from October. What’s Pete doing in October except maybe some easy base work. Doesn’t make sense as to why you would take epo if he wasn’t in a hard training phase. Further more it’s not like he was hiding from these tests. Never failed on a whereabouts and if he was doping wouldn’t he go somewhere a little more remote so the likelihood of getting tested is decreased.
Isn't his 800m progression just like .5 second (if at all!) a year for the last five years? That doesn't seem too weird. He's only 1.4 seconds faster than he was 7 years ago.
I don't see a weird "jump" in his abilities. If anything, the weird thing is how long he was just "very good" without really breaking through to some "next level." Wasn't our local boy, Nick Symmonds a 1:42.9 runner? Even with the purported EPO use, Bol wasn't sniffing a time like that at any point, right?
I think his 1500m is a) not his real event and b) prior to 2022 ran it as a "second race" or a B-race (until this year when he was thinking about moving up). A 1:44-1:45 guy should be able to run a 3:35. That is not shocking to me. What did Lopez Lomong run? Same kind of time, right? I just looked it up; Lomong ran 1:45/3:32.
Are they really oblivious as to what is going on, or are they complicit?
I think those situations are slightly different because with those groups (and I would throw Demadonna in there) the group coaches are all part of the "organization". Bol was/is coached by Rinaldi who doesn't really have any affiliation with James, he also would have athletes that were with Bideau, Stubbs, any other agent etc. There are though a few very insular groups where it's all kind of housed under the same umbrella.
Look think about it this way, it actually makes a lot of sense if some sh-t is going on with an athlete, that someone in the athletes circle (coach, agent, PT etc) either legit doesn't know what's going on or deliberately just "hears and sees no evil" and therefore can "speak" no evil, right? If everyone has explicit knowledge then there will almost certainly be a crack or some connecting evidence to complicity. So think about it, if Templeton "doesn't know" he can come out defend his guy and make statements and technically he's not lying.
Now that's not to say these guys aren't stupid - you don't have to be much of a genius to see what's going on when a guy goes from 3.42 to 3.35 or from mid tier international performer to World and Olympic finalist out of nowhere. But these are two different things.
His 800 progression looks completely normal; nothing like that of someone like Sebastian Coe, for example. His 1500 progression MAY be suspicious--or not at all--depending on how often he ran that event and what the winning times were. Abby Steiner just ran a massive PR at 400 meters--but she hadn't run an open 400 in years. Context matters.
Biology sounds a lot like Rekrunner. Enough said. The question is why are all these men and women distance runners being caught taking EPO? They and their advisers are obviously wrong huh?
No. Jon Orange, who can't use his real name anymore because he got banned too often, and who never learned basic biology.
Isn't his 800m progression just like .5 second (if at all!) a year for the last five years? That doesn't seem too weird. He's only 1.4 seconds faster than he was 7 years ago.
I don't see a weird "jump" in his abilities. If anything, the weird thing is how long he was just "very good" without really breaking through to some "next level." Wasn't our local boy, Nick Symmonds a 1:42.9 runner? Even with the purported EPO use, Bol wasn't sniffing a time like that at any point, right?
Yeah I went through and looked at his progression over the years for multiple events and couldn't see any red flags for the 800m. Only the 1500m which isn't his event. I'm generally of the opinion anyone that gets popped with their A sample is probably guilty. But I do like to look at their performances over the years and see if there is any obvious improvements in performance. I think Lamont Jacobs is a classic example.I had a look at his stats and he went from 400th in the world for the 100m to Olympic champion in a pretty short space of time.
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