3:33 is not world elite and indoor races (especially back then) are not entirely an indicator of greatness.
I wouldn't necessarily call Yared Nuguse world elite either.
Aouita also placed 11. at the WC in Tokyo in 1991, not exactly a world beater...
Aouita was not a world beater in 91 and after, but was ranked 7th by TAFN for 1500 in 91 and has run a 3000m indoor WR in 92 which was canceled later for cutting the curb.
3:33.28 in 91 was something different than now, the WR was 3:29.46. Hey - genious - Herb Elliott would have been happy to run this time in his prime.
You are talking about subjects you don't know anything about.
Aouita was not a world beater in 91 and after, but was ranked 7th by TAFN for 1500 in 91 and has run a 3000m indoor WR in 92 which was canceled later for cutting the curb.
3:33.28 in 91 was something different than now, the WR was 3:29.46. Hey - genious - Herb Elliott would have been happy to run this time in his prime.
You are talking about subjects you don't know anything about.
So now you're counting races, where one gets disqualified for cutting the curb?
Morcelli ran 3:28 in 1992.
By your logic, Aouita has to be the GOAT, because he was running back then.
Aouita is not even the GOAT of 1500m, El G is. He had versatility, I'l give you that, but it surely isn't the main factor of greatness.
Rudisha, with 2 OG + 2 WC golds and a WR that's standing for 10 years (and counting) is more impressive in my book than Aouita by any means.
Looking at numbers and not understanding simple math. That's impressive, buddy.
So to you, 10th time = average?
I think he was off on the 10th fastest mark for both runners.
As far as I can tell, the ten fastest performances by each athlete are:
Rudisha
1:40.91
1:41.01
1:41.09
1:41.33
1:41.51
1:41.54
1:41.74
1:42.01
1:42.04
1:42.12
Average of top 10 = 1:41.53
Coe
1:41.73
1:42.33
1:43.07
1:43.38
1:43.64
1:43.80
1:43.84
1:43.93
1:43.97
1:44.01
Average of top 10 = 1:43.37
But given the difference in eras/circumstances (more effectively time trials for Rudisha) and the fact that Coe’s ten fastest performances span from ‘78 to ‘89 vs. ‘09-‘12 for Rudisha, I think it’s fair to say Coe was significantly closer to Rudisha, on average, than 1.84 seconds.
This is a long way off the Ingebrigtsen discussion.
Everyone here is biased. They worship Coe. You worship Aouita. You are the same.
I don't worship Aouita, I spread "Aouita worshiping" in LRC after seeing all the attacks threads on LRC about him in LRC.
Just google...
In LRC there is a worshiping threads of the old Anglo legends of 50s, 60s, 70s and a tendency to draw an evil image about African runners.
Yes there are threads and certain individuals do this. But message board posts consistently indicate that the overwhelming majority of LRC believes that Bekele is the greatest distance runner of all time, Kipchoge the greatest marathoner, and Rudisha the greatest 800 runner. 1500 is more mixed but there are many El G supporters. There is also a lot of love for Haille G.
3:33 is not world elite and indoor races (especially back then) are not entirely an indicator of greatness.
I wouldn't necessarily call Yared Nuguse world elite either.
Aouita also placed 11. at the WC in Tokyo in 1991, not exactly a world beater...
Aouita was not a world beater in 91 and after, but was ranked 7th by TAFN for 1500 in 91 and has run a 3000m indoor WR in 92 which was canceled later for cutting the curb.
3:33.28 in 91 was something different than now, the WR was 3:29.46. Hey - genious - Herb Elliott would have been happy to run this time in his prime.
You are talking about subjects you don't know anything about.
Aouita has to have an asterisk over his accomplishments when it is known he later advocated doping to Australian athletes he was coaching.
No, EL G's pb was nowhere near 1:45.5, it was 1:47.18.
Every time you try to defend Coe, people think of the opposite.
Obviously you know the difference between PB and what a runner can really do in a given distance (especially if he has run it only once).
But you are always in the defensive concerning Coe.
What rubbish are you spouting now!? You're the one that comes across as a clown.
One can only use pb's to compare. Of course EL G was capable of running much faster than 1:47.18 but he didn't officially. I could say that Coe was capable of 3:28.0 and 3:44.5, and cite good evidence to back that up, but I would rightly be pointed out that these were not his officail pbs. He was also certainly capable of much faster than 14:06, which was run in very windy conditions as a training run against club runners.
Aouita had the greater range but he won no titles over 800, 1500 or 10k. He also never broke the mile WR and won only a single Olympic medal (albeit gold).
1988 800m bronze.
Beg your pardon. Quite right, my mistake. I think I subconciously missed that because I'd already worked out he hadn't won an 800m title.
Aouita was not a world beater in 91 and after, but was ranked 7th by TAFN for 1500 in 91 and has run a 3000m indoor WR in 92 which was canceled later for cutting the curb.
3:33.28 in 91 was something different than now, the WR was 3:29.46. Hey - genious - Herb Elliott would have been happy to run this time in his prime.
You are talking about subjects you don't know anything about.
So now you're counting races, where one gets disqualified for cutting the curb?
Morcelli ran 3:28 in 1992.
By your logic, Aouita has to be the GOAT, because he was running back then.
Aouita is not even the GOAT of 1500m, El G is. He had versatility, I'l give you that, but it surely isn't the main factor of greatness.
Rudisha, with 2 OG + 2 WC golds and a WR that's standing for 10 years (and counting) is more impressive in my book than Aouita by any means.
But ok, let's scrape for 3:33 and DQ races.
What are you talking about? I have nothing said about the greatness of Aouita. For sure he is far from beeing GOAT of 1500m, tell me someone who thinks different.
If Rudisha has had the better career for you than Aouita, that's OK. A haven't written anything to this.
You just said he completely was falling of in 90 (and after?). And this is just not true. 3:33.28 in 91 was a good time (5th fastest of the season). And 7:36.66 indoors in 92 was great, even when he saved a few tenths because the curb was not marked.
I think he was off on the 10th fastest mark for both runners.
As far as I can tell, the ten fastest performances by each athlete are:
Rudisha
1:40.91
1:41.01
1:41.09
1:41.33
1:41.51
1:41.54
1:41.74
1:42.01
1:42.04
1:42.12
Average of top 10 = 1:41.53
Coe
1:41.73
1:42.33
1:43.07
1:43.38
1:43.64
1:43.80
1:43.84
1:43.93
1:43.97
1:44.01
Average of top 10 = 1:43.37
But given the difference in eras/circumstances (more effectively time trials for Rudisha) and the fact that Coe’s ten fastest performances span from ‘78 to ‘89 vs. ‘09-‘12 for Rudisha, I think it’s fair to say Coe was significantly closer to Rudisha, on average, than 1.84 seconds.
This is a long way off the Ingebrigtsen discussion.
This Lolly just stated Rudisha on average was two seconds faster than Coe over 800m. For sure that's nonsense, also it's not clear what the statement exactly means. Coe's 1:41.73 was more an outlier than Rudisha's 1:40.91, but Rudisha was a pure 800 guy, Coe not. Rudisha almost solely ran paced time trials, Coe not. I would say, Rudisha was something like 1 second faster than Coe. How much of this can be explained by shoes and tracks? Impossible to quantify. I tend to say very little.
At their absolute best, they are almost even for me.
Every time you try to defend Coe, people think of the opposite.
Obviously you know the difference between PB and what a runner can really do in a given distance (especially if he has run it only once).
But you are always in the defensive concerning Coe.
What rubbish are you spouting now!? You're the one that comes across as a clown.
One can only use pb's to compare. Of course EL G was capable of running much faster than 1:47.18 but he didn't officially. I could say that Coe was capable of 3:28.0 and 3:44.5, and cite good evidence to back that up, but I would rightly be pointed out that these were not his officail pbs. He was also certainly capable of much faster than 14:06, which was run in very windy conditions as a training run against club runners.
I think he was off on the 10th fastest mark for both runners.
As far as I can tell, the ten fastest performances by each athlete are:
Rudisha
1:40.91
1:41.01
1:41.09
1:41.33
1:41.51
1:41.54
1:41.74
1:42.01
1:42.04
1:42.12
Average of top 10 = 1:41.53
Coe
1:41.73
1:42.33
1:43.07
1:43.38
1:43.64
1:43.80
1:43.84
1:43.93
1:43.97
1:44.01
Average of top 10 = 1:43.37
But given the difference in eras/circumstances (more effectively time trials for Rudisha) and the fact that Coe’s ten fastest performances span from ‘78 to ‘89 vs. ‘09-‘12 for Rudisha, I think it’s fair to say Coe was significantly closer to Rudisha, on average, than 1.84 seconds.
This is a long way off the Ingebrigtsen discussion.
This Lolly just stated Rudisha on average was two seconds faster than Coe over 800m. For sure that's nonsense, also it's not clear what the statement exactly means. Coe's 1:41.73 was more an outlier than Rudisha's 1:40.91, but Rudisha was a pure 800 guy, Coe not. Rudisha almost solely ran paced time trials, Coe not. I would say, Rudisha was something like 1 second faster than Coe. How much of this can be explained by shoes and tracks? Impossible to quantify. I tend to say very little.
At their absolute best, they are almost even for me.
This Lolly just stated Rudisha on average was two seconds faster than Coe over 800m. For sure that's nonsense, also it's not clear what the statement exactly means. Coe's 1:41.73 was more an outlier than Rudisha's 1:40.91, but Rudisha was a pure 800 guy, Coe not. Rudisha almost solely ran paced time trials, Coe not. I would say, Rudisha was something like 1 second faster than Coe. How much of this can be explained by shoes and tracks? Impossible to quantify. I tend to say very little.
At their absolute best, they are almost even for me.
Shoes and tracks now, EPO back then. Since there is no official "shoes / tracks / EPO" converter, you will just have rely on numbers.
When you compare the average of top 10 races from both, you'll notice that Rudisha is ca. 2s faster.
You want them to be the same, but they're not. Rudisha is Usain Bolt of 800m.