He was also doped up. I mean, lets not gloss over the fact that pretty much every present day HW has doped or is doping. And we're talking about a guy who hails from a country known to have a state sponsored doping program.
Its really sad watching people who obviously don't like the idea of a black man being considered the GOAT.
What is really sad is you just assuming without absolutely no evidence that this is a racial thing. I have to ask. projection?
He was also doped up. I mean, lets not gloss over the fact that pretty much every present day HW has doped or is doping. And we're talking about a guy who hails from a country known to have a state sponsored doping program.
Its really sad watching people who obviously don't like the idea of a black man being considered the GOAT.
What is really sad is you just assuming without absolutely no evidence that this is a racial thing. I have to ask. projection?
Hey Bearded I found another racist for you. This guy worked with Klitschko and Mike Tyson let's see what he says.
"Wladimir hits very hard, harder than (Mike) Tyson,” said trainer Freddie Roach, who has worked with both brothers and Tyson.
They also live cleanly and work extremely hard, harder than the vast majority of their opponents, according to Byrd.
Roach offered an anecdote of their running habits to illustrate their dedication to training.
“At one point, they ran 12 800-meter [roughly a half mile] sprints, each under 3 minutes, with a minute rest between each one,” Roach said. “I timed every one and every one was under 3 minutes. I never saw a heavyweight do anything even close to that. They work their asses off. To be able to do that, two 250-pound guys – whew.
“They're two of the best athletes I've ever trained.”
You probably know things others don't and figure he must be racist to say Klitschko hits harder than Mike Tyson and is the best athlete he ever coached.
Well I don't know Freddie Roach personally. Does he have an obsession with tearing down black GOATs and propping up white hopes? The most likely explanation is that he was training this dude and gave an interview and wanted to gloat about their prowess during said interview to hype them up no matter how true/untrue his statements were. Regardless I am not sure what your point is. He said 'two of the best'. He is not saying the guy is better than Tyson or Ali etc.. He did not go on a tirade about how the greats of the past are not that great and that only the Klitschko brothers and Fury could be considered GOATs.
My own personal view is Freddie Roach sucks anyway. Kevin Rooney is who trained Iron Mike during his prime (with legendary Cus D'amato of course). I'll take what he says with a grain of salt anyway.
What is really sad is you just assuming without absolutely no evidence that this is a racial thing. I have to ask. projection?
Hey Bearded I found another racist for you. This guy worked with Klitschko and Mike Tyson let's see what he says.
"Wladimir hits very hard, harder than (Mike) Tyson,” said trainer Freddie Roach, who has worked with both brothers and Tyson.
They also live cleanly and work extremely hard, harder than the vast majority of their opponents, according to Byrd.
Roach offered an anecdote of their running habits to illustrate their dedication to training.
“At one point, they ran 12 800-meter [roughly a half mile] sprints, each under 3 minutes, with a minute rest between each one,” Roach said. “I timed every one and every one was under 3 minutes. I never saw a heavyweight do anything even close to that. They work their asses off. To be able to do that, two 250-pound guys – whew.
“They're two of the best athletes I've ever trained.”
You probably know things others don't and figure he must be racist to say Klitschko hits harder than Mike Tyson and is the best athlete he ever coached.
George Foreman said that Lyle hit harder than anyone who he ever faced. Yes Lyle knocked him down but Foreman knocked Lyle out.
Well I don't know Freddie Roach personally. Does he have an obsession with tearing down black GOATs and propping up white hopes? The most likely explanation is that he was training this dude and gave an interview and wanted to gloat about their prowess during said interview to hype them up no matter how true/untrue his statements were. Regardless I am not sure what your point is. He said 'two of the best'. He is not saying the guy is better than Tyson or Ali etc.. He did not go on a tirade about how the greats of the past are not that great and that only the Klitschko brothers and Fury could be considered GOATs.
My own personal view is Freddie Roach sucks anyway. Kevin Rooney is who trained Iron Mike during his prime (with legendary Cus D'amato of course). I'll take what he says with a grain of salt anyway.
Also, Klitscko was never really a one punch knockout type of fighter, though he certainly hit hard. Mike Tyson’s record, on the other hand, is riddled with one punch KOs and early round demolitions against quality opponents, so Roach’s comment makes no sense, if he actually said it.
I was as big a fan as anyone of prime, early Mike Tyson when he was still with Cus D'Amato, but the fact is that he knocked out a bunch of no names and has-beens early on. When Tyson faced quality opposition, his record was unimpressive, although that may have been in part because he no longer had a trainer who could keep his worse tendencies in check.
Well I don't know Freddie Roach personally. Does he have an obsession with tearing down black GOATs and propping up white hopes? The most likely explanation is that he was training this dude and gave an interview and wanted to gloat about their prowess during said interview to hype them up no matter how true/untrue his statements were. Regardless I am not sure what your point is. He said 'two of the best'. He is not saying the guy is better than Tyson or Ali etc.. He did not go on a tirade about how the greats of the past are not that great and that only the Klitschko brothers and Fury could be considered GOATs.
My own personal view is Freddie Roach sucks anyway. Kevin Rooney is who trained Iron Mike during his prime (with legendary Cus D'amato of course). I'll take what he says with a grain of salt anyway.
Also, Klitscko was never really a one punch knockout type of fighter, though he certainly hit hard. Mike Tyson’s record, on the other hand, is riddled with one punch KOs and early round demolitions against quality opponents, so Roach’s comment makes no sense, if he actually said it.
Really? Like who?
The only truly great, in their prime, fighters he fought were Evander and Lennox Lewis. And Tyson absolutely got his a$$ handed to him by both.
Mike Tyson is the most over rated boxer of all-time.
I’m not one of those who buy into the Tyson myth and think that the “real Mike Tyson” was invincible. But he did beat a lot of good fighters. Trevor Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, Bonecrusher Smith, Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tucker and many more.
I likewise do not buy into the Tyson was invincible myth either. But I still maintain to this day he threw the Lewis fight haha. I am sure I could be totally wrong but that was not Iron Mike in that ring. And as any boxing fan knows there is a lot of shady sh!t in the sport, throwing fights for money is known to be a thing.
I likewise do not buy into the Tyson was invincible myth either. But I still maintain to this day he threw the Lewis fight haha. I am sure I could be totally wrong but that was not Iron Mike in that ring. And as any boxing fan knows there is a lot of shady sh!t in the sport, throwing fights for money is known to be a thing.
Whats your question? Are you under the assumption that a person being paid to throw a fight via knock out is not possible? Have you ever watched the entire fight? Have you watched other Tyson fights and are familiar with his style of boxing and notice he doesnt even put much of any effort into his usual tactics?
Like I said, I could be totally wrong. Its just my opinion.
I likewise do not buy into the Tyson was invincible myth either. But I still maintain to this day he threw the Lewis fight haha. I am sure I could be totally wrong but that was not Iron Mike in that ring. And as any boxing fan knows there is a lot of shady sh!t in the sport, throwing fights for money is known to be a thing.
Doesn't even make sense. Why would he 'throw' the Lews fight? And why would he take a beating for 8 rounds when he could have taken the easy way out when he got knocked down in the 3rd or 4th round? If Tyson had won, he would be guarenteed multi-million dollar title defences instead of fading quickly into obscurity and retirement.
I agree Tyson was a shadow of his former self, but that's what 3 years in prison, getting coked out of your mind every night, not taking training seriously, sacking your trainer, being a 'teen phenomn' in the first place, does to you.
Imagine if Usain Bolt had gone to prison for 3 years at 23, and when he returned he was getting coked up every day partying instead of training for years, then at 36 and 20lb overweight he challenges the new fastest man on the planet to a 100m race, who had meanwhile lowered Bolt's WR to 9.3? If Bolt lost by half a second, would you think he must have thrown it?
There are less licensed boxers in the world today than there was in the 1970's. There are few professional boxers in the USA today than there was even in the 1930's. There are even fewer boxing coaches today than there were in the 1970's. Yet people here are assuming that boxers of today are better than boxers of yesteryear, because runners today are faster than runners of the 1930's or 1970's.
This is not quite true of Britain, the Ukraine, and Russia. There are still boxing gyms in every neighbourhood, as well as no NFL or even basketball for huge athletic men to pursue a sporting career in. Consequently, every heavyweight boxing champion today, and nearly every top 10 contender, comes from GB, the Ukraine, or Russia.
"Wladimir hits very hard, harder than (Mike) Tyson,” said trainer Freddie Roach, who has worked with both brothers and Tyson.
You probably know things others don't and figure he must be racist to say Klitschko hits harder than Mike Tyson and is the best athlete he ever coached.
Anyone with one or two functioning eyes knows that is BS.
You obviously don't know the history of the Ali v Terrell fight.
This is the famous 'what's my name fight?' Ali had recently changed his name from Cassius Clay to Muhammed Ali, and in the approach to the fight Terrell called him "Clay."
In the fight, instead of finishing Terrell, Ali continued to punish him frequently shouting "what's my name." He could have stopped him easily had he wanted too.
His size, skill, accuracy, reach and heart makes him the greatest. Wilder was the best, hardest puncher and undefeated until he met Fury. Yet Wilder was destroyed. Many also think Fury won their first match that was ruled a tie. Fury is undefeated.
Ali lost to fighters much weaker than Fury. Joe Lewis would have been shocked to fight someone as big as Fury. The Great Russian champ in his prime might have put up a fight due to his skill and size but would have lost.
Lol, just don't put him in the ring with a Nigerian MMA guy who has never boxed in his life.
His size, skill, accuracy, reach and heart makes him the greatest. Wilder was the best, hardest puncher and undefeated until he met Fury. Yet Wilder was destroyed. Many also think Fury won their first match that was ruled a tie. Fury is undefeated.
Ali lost to fighters much weaker than Fury. Joe Lewis would have been shocked to fight someone as big as Fury. The Great Russian champ in his prime might have put up a fight due to his skill and size but would have lost.
Lol, just don't put him in the ring with a Nigerian MMA guy who has never boxed in his life.
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