Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

runningchick wrote:

But wouldn't it be a much much easier defense to say: oops forgot to declare this totally legal thing than coming up with the Burrito story?

A contaminated supplement would be an easier defense in the sense that CAS would be more likely to accept that explanation as true relative to the burrito excuse.

The problem is that failure to list a supplement is a violation of anti-doping rules in of itself, so Houlihan would have had to accept a sanction regardless, although potentially a shorter period of ineligibility.

By contrast, if you can prove that contamination is likely, you can have the entire result expunged like Ajee Wilson and Brenda Martinez.

Maybe people like Kara Goucher support Shelby because they know from personal experience that BTC runs a clean operation.

Probnotthepope wrote:

sanootage wrote:

What if it was sabotage?

Makes more sense than anything else.

Yes, you're right. Wada conspiring with an unknown third party that put nandrolone in Houlihans food is more believable than Houlihan actually taking nandrolone herself.

I said nothing about wada .

Moral of the story... always take the whereabouts failure

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Maybe people like Kara Goucher support Shelby because they know from personal experience that BTC runs a clean operation.

Kara Goucher has not supported Shelby's innocence.

Charlatan wrote:

David Melly is a nobody.

He has done nothing in this sport.

Armchair QB. Give it a rest with the self-promotion.

And you have done what exactly in the sport? At least he's a QB. What are you? The water boy?

Contaminated "Wild Boar" my tuchus, LOL! Talk about a Hail Mary.

Also, Kara Goucher told Matt Hart for his book that BTC athletes were using prescription medicine for off-label uses when she joined the team, potentially to a greater extent than the Oregon Project's athletes were doing at the time. (I believe the exact wording was something like 'USADA is sniffing around, so cut back on your asthma medication.' Kara wasn't taking asthma medication, but fellow BTC athletes assumed she was because they thought Salazar must have the Oregon Project on a sketchier protocol than them.)

Depending on the substance this isn't strictly "against the rules" but it certainly cuts against the idea that Schumacher has always run a "clean operation."

Did I hit a nerve? I've been at more US and World Champs than you have that's for sure.

NYDCRunner1 wrote:

Charlatan wrote:

David Melly is a nobody.

He has done nothing in this sport.

Armchair QB. Give it a rest with the self-promotion.

And you have done what exactly in the sport? At least he's a QB. What are you? The water boy?

Where is Clean Sport Collective wrote:

Tbf, he's just outlining the civil legal process in most countries. Decisions are taken on the balance of probabilities rather than "beyond reasonable doubt", which is the criminal standard for conviction. There's are good reasons that beyond reasonable doubt isn't the standard in doping cases, e.g. it's an incredibly high standard and no one would ever be found guilty, and it would of imply raising doping to the level of criminality and I'm not sure any athlete wants that risk.

CAS writes its decisions in legalistic language so it can't outright say, "your story is very likely horsesh1t", and instead uses phrases like "a sequence of events, the probability of which occurring is close to zero." In its legal language, CAS called Houlihan's story a total crock and dismissed the shambolic evidence her team put forward. It's damning, utterly damning

I'm totally fine with him Outlining the legal process too! I'm glad he did. What I'm not fine with is running journalists wearing their "outline the legal process" hat when it comes to Shelby, and their snarky side eye hat when it comes to everyone else. Pick one hat when it comes to this issue and stick with it. Also the chances of him stepping up and outlining the legal process if this were Sifan are less than zero.[/quote]

Fair point. The same double standard Rojo applies to Katir

Charlatan wrote:

Did I hit a nerve? I've been at more US and World Champs than you have that's for sure.

NYDCRunner1 wrote:

And you have done what exactly in the sport? At least he's a QB. What are you? The water boy?

It's always funny to me when folks pull rank like this on LetsRun about things that require no significant athletic credentials. Should we pull everyone off the ESPN broadcast that doesn't have a championship ring?

Some people want the sport of athletics to be fifty retired men in a room comparing PRs but also every shoe company should pay them hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. Can't have it both ways.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Maybe people like Kara Goucher support Shelby because they know from personal experience that BTC runs a clean operation.

Evidence proves otherwise.

Rememberer wrote:

[quote]suspicion in the ignition wrote:

[quote]SDSU Aztec wrote:Anyway, pretty clear what happened to Shelby. She was taking an illegal supplement, probably ostarine, that was contaminated with nandrolone. Ostarine clears your system quickly, but not the nandrolone.

What is ostarine and why is it banned?

flyingfrog wrote:

Cliff notes please

She CHEATED!

you don't say wrote:

And there you have it:

"Sixth, the concentration of 19-NA in the Athlete’s urine was 2-3 times higher

than the highest values reported in the scientific literature after the ingestion of

much more significant quantities of meat of mature (uncastrated) boar"

But that's not black and white as you may think. Were those to whom Shelby was compared to ("2-3 times higher

than the highest values reported in the scientific literature") also top athletes? Or they were not at all athletic people?

I know it doesn't add up for Shelby's defense favor but nothing is 100%. Everyone's body is the case on its own, that's for sure.

tlbernhard wrote:

I agree that the reasons given as to how she had the drug in her system do not hold up to scrutiny. However, what does not make sense, as there was no evidence she was injecting it, is that she was taking it orally. A method which has no benefit for an athlete. Why would she do that?

Anyone care to take a stab at this? Could it still be the cream?

But that is only one of the many points against the banned drug cheat. This here alone makes all burrito discussion pointless:

CAS wrote:

The Panel finds that the carbon isotope signature of the Athlete’s A- and B-Samples is neither consistent with the carbon isotope signature of commercial pork in the United States nor her own signature.

In other words, it could not have come from the burrito. Game over.

Emma Coburn and Kara signing off on the Clean Sport Collective letter was a super weak and thinly-veiled attempt to cover up their opinions of Shelby which if you sift through their social media likes, they supported Shelby’s explanation.

rojo wrote:

I'm only halfway through it. I got to admit the fact that she refused to wear the carbon shoes really makes me believe she is much more likely to be guilty than if she did wear them.

I meant to say much less likely,