She would have lapped Kilian. He not only gets chicked, he gets lapped by a chick.
She would have lapped Kilian. He not only gets chicked, he gets lapped by a chick.
Ghost1 wrote:
Yes, and she has 156 and 351 speed for 800 and1500 m and she did not even exploit to the full those two events so could’ve gone faster with specific training for longer periods of time for those two middle distance events.
I have known decent national level 5000 10,000 m runners who cannot run faster than her at 800 and1500 m. Example: Bob Holt (England) (around 1970s) 3:51/7:59/13:48/28:39/2:16),
1500/3000/5000/10,000/marathon.
Hassan can get under 14 minutes and 29 minutes for 5000 m and 10,000 m. She could also run around 63 minutes for a half marathon right now if not faster. She’s kind of a revolutionary figure in distance running. I’m 99.9 convinced that she’s clean and not using PED’s.
Going further, if she ever moves up to the marathon she could potentially run around 2:11-2:13. A 29 minute 10,000 m man can operate at five minute per mile speed in the marathon and there’s no reason that she should not be able to do so as well. No physiological reason that she couldn’t do it. It’s more question of breaking a psychological barrier. Look at female elite swimming who are closer to the elite men compared with distance running. Cynics might say females have more body fat which helps floatability but I think it’s more a question of psychological toughness in the pool. Hassan can do it.
If she fulfills her potential (absolute world class in the 800m and WR in the Marathon) in the next years she definitely becomes the greatest distance runner (male or female) in history.
But how can you say you are 99.9% sure she is clean regarding the history of professionell sport? Sorry, but thats just nonsense. I don't say she is doping because I don't know it. But I would not be surprised when she tests positive next week. At the moment I believe she is clean - or not? Hm.
restrunner wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Yes, and she has 156 and 351 speed for 800 and1500 m and she did not even exploit to the full those two events so could’ve gone faster with specific training for longer periods of time for those two middle distance events.
I have known decent national level 5000 10,000 m runners who cannot run faster than her at 800 and1500 m. Example: Bob Holt (England) (around 1970s) 3:51/7:59/13:48/28:39/2:16),
1500/3000/5000/10,000/marathon.
Hassan can get under 14 minutes and 29 minutes for 5000 m and 10,000 m. She could also run around 63 minutes for a half marathon right now if not faster. She’s kind of a revolutionary figure in distance running. I’m 99.9 convinced that she’s clean and not using PED’s.
Going further, if she ever moves up to the marathon she could potentially run around 2:11-2:13. A 29 minute 10,000 m man can operate at five minute per mile speed in the marathon and there’s no reason that she should not be able to do so as well. No physiological reason that she couldn’t do it. It’s more question of breaking a psychological barrier. Look at female elite swimming who are closer to the elite men compared with distance running. Cynics might say females have more body fat which helps floatability but I think it’s more a question of psychological toughness in the pool. Hassan can do it.
If she fulfills her potential (absolute world class in the 800m and WR in the Marathon) in the next years she definitely becomes the greatest distance runner (male or female) in history.
But how can you say you are 99.9% sure she is clean regarding the history of professionell sport? Sorry, but thats just nonsense. I don't say she is doping because I don't know it. But I would not be surprised when she tests positive next week. At the moment I believe she is clean - or not? Hm.
It seems that the reputation of running competition is irreparable at this moment. This race had been set up just for Hassan to break a world record. Conditions were perfect. She accomplished the goal. Instead of celebrating the achievement, a large section of the running community is crying drug cheat
It seems every time someone in our sport does something great, it's legitimacy is called into question. It doesn't matter how many drug tests a runner passes, the thought is that the tests are ill designed to catch the offenders. In no other sport are champions trashed without proof like runners.
Maybe it's time to "de-criminalize" all the ped's. Because if it's not the drugs, it's the shoes or the pacing lights. Credit can never go to the runner. This seems to be the one sport where records are pristine, and to break one is absolute proof of cheating. The Salem with trials were more fair.
Ghost1 wrote:
A 29 minute 10,000 m man can operate at five minute per mile speed in the marathon and there’s no reason that she should not be able to do so as well.
I think you're looking at it upside-down.
bladerunner wrote:
It seems every time someone in our sport does something great, it's legitimacy is called into question. It doesn't matter how many drug tests a runner passes, the thought is that the tests are ill designed to catch the offenders. In no other sport are champions trashed without proof like runners.
Maybe it's time to "de-criminalize" all the ped's. Because if it's not the drugs, it's the shoes or the pacing lights. Credit can never go to the runner. This seems to be the one sport where records are pristine, and to break one is absolute proof of cheating. The Salem with trials were more fair.
The drug testing is not good. People have gotten away with EPO forever. Jama Aden got caught with vials of it in his hotel room in 2016 and nothing came of it.
The shoes improve people's performances. The pacing lights improve people's performances. Nobody is arguing this. Hassan's performance was obviously incredible, but it was unquestionably aided by those factors and that makes the comparison to Ayana very debatable.
If you want credit to go to the runners, push for a cleaner sport and push back against technology-aided performances. If you want credit to go to the drugs and technology instead of the athletes, the current system is perfect.
bladerunner wrote:
astro wrote:
Hassan is an obvious doper. When you have a checkered history and are blowing away records set by other dopers, it is easy to see. In cycling you would see certain riders just blow away other elite riders; they were specially "prepared." and it was no contest.
But dopers will cheat gladly with a big smile on their face, swear with compete earnestness that they are clean and that it is just hard work and natural talent, and cash their checks without a qualm. And some gullible idiots will buy it or at least feign agnosticism.
It is a dirty sport.
You should follow another sport. Hassan has been tested 100's of times with no bad results. As Craig Engels said a few years ago, she was tested more than any other runner in the group.
Here's an idea: follow golf. No ped's to speak of in golf. Henrik Stenson was asked what ped's a golfer might take. He responded, "maybe Viagra". You can follow a nice clean sport and not sound like an idiot who knows what all the technology and testing has been unable to confirm.
Talking of sounding like an idiot. Technology and testing do not confirm doping. Most dopers are not caught. Youre also dreaming if you don't think there are peds in golf, when drugs are present in curling, championship darts and chess.
devils advocate wrote:
bladerunner wrote:
It seems every time someone in our sport does something great, it's legitimacy is called into question. It doesn't matter how many drug tests a runner passes, the thought is that the tests are ill designed to catch the offenders. In no other sport are champions trashed without proof like runners.
Maybe it's time to "de-criminalize" all the ped's. Because if it's not the drugs, it's the shoes or the pacing lights. Credit can never go to the runner. This seems to be the one sport where records are pristine, and to break one is absolute proof of cheating. The Salem with trials were more fair.
The drug testing is not good. People have gotten away with EPO forever. Jama Aden got caught with vials of it in his hotel room in 2016 and nothing came of it.
The shoes improve people's performances. The pacing lights improve people's performances. Nobody is arguing this. Hassan's performance was obviously incredible, but it was unquestionably aided by those factors and that makes the comparison to Ayana very debatable.
If you want credit to go to the runners, push for a cleaner sport and push back against technology-aided performances. If you want credit to go to the drugs and technology instead of the athletes, the current system is perfect.
Spot on.
Ghost1 wrote:
bladerunner wrote:
You should follow another sport. Hassan has been tested 100's of times with no bad results. As Craig Engels said a few years ago, she was tested more than any other runner in the group.
Here's an idea: follow golf. No ped's to speak of in golf. Henrik Stenson was asked what ped's a golfer might take. He responded, "maybe Viagra". You can follow a nice clean sport and not sound like an idiot who knows what all the technology and testing has been unable to confirm.
+1 People are too quick to jump on the bandwagon. By the way, Hassan is a very devout Muslim and always makes references to the “ Great One”above. She has been quoted as saying that “Allah” has chosen her to be a great runner and that is her destiny. She says this with absolute sincerity and belief so we should not doubt her.
Can you imagine the devastation that would be created were she ever to have taken PEDs. It’s just not going to happen. The penalty suffered would be much worse than the glory attained and she’s not stupid. She has a solid head on her shoulders.
I'm not sure you meant solid head - but you may be right.
You do also know that Ayana attributed her world record to God? Maybe the reference to the divine by these runners means something else?
Armstronglivs wrote:
bladerunner wrote:
You should follow another sport. Hassan has been tested 100's of times with no bad results. As Craig Engels said a few years ago, she was tested more than any other runner in the group.
Here's an idea: follow golf. No ped's to speak of in golf. Henrik Stenson was asked what ped's a golfer might take. He responded, "maybe Viagra". You can follow a nice clean sport and not sound like an idiot who knows what all the technology and testing has been unable to confirm.
Talking of sounding like an idiot. Technology and testing do not confirm doping. Most dopers are not caught. Youre also dreaming if you don't think there are peds in golf, when drugs are present in curling, championship darts and chess.
If you think there are peds in golf, you are absolutely insane. Golfers are tested by the way. And how do you know that "most dopers are not caught". Name some. I'd love to know this inside knowledge you have that the running hierarchy is protecting.
He is the most ignorant poster here because he refuses to consider any opinions but his own. He doesn't provide any facts for anything.
bladerunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Talking of sounding like an idiot. Technology and testing do not confirm doping. Most dopers are not caught. Youre also dreaming if you don't think there are peds in golf, when drugs are present in curling, championship darts and chess.
If you think there are peds in golf, you are absolutely insane. Golfers are tested by the way. And how do you know that "most dopers are not caught". Name some. I'd love to know this inside knowledge you have that the running hierarchy is protecting.
Blahahahaaa! I don’t know or care about golf but if you think that peds aren’t rampant in t&f I’m not sure what to tell you. There are guys at my local gym on gear. Here’s a fun little video about peds in Kenyan running. Of course Kenyan is only the beginning. This could probably apply to pretty much any country nowadays.
https://youtu.be/J0ej5k_SxUsbladerunner wrote:
Name some. I'd love to know this inside knowledge you have that the running hierarchy is protecting.
Florence Grifith Joyner
I enter a lot of youtube video and see a lot of Americans still defending her like a myth.
Hate these lights. Listening to her interview she probably could have run 28:40 this last weekend.
Ghost1 wrote:
By the way, Hassan is a very devout Muslim
That was visible here
https://i.ibb.co/Bs8GXXL/01.jpgThis is not the same crucifix prayer I have seen Genzebe Dibaba doing in some races.
Mohammed Ali had his first prayer done before his second confrontation with Sonny Liston 1965, a few months after being converted by Malcolm X and changing his name:
https://i.ibb.co/zGqgCMy/02.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/yyTpj5W/03.jpgbladerunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Talking of sounding like an idiot. Technology and testing do not confirm doping. Most dopers are not caught. Youre also dreaming if you don't think there are peds in golf, when drugs are present in curling, championship darts and chess.
If you think there are peds in golf, you are absolutely insane. Golfers are tested by the way. And how do you know that "most dopers are not caught". Name some. I'd love to know this inside knowledge you have that the running hierarchy is protecting.
So I'm supposed to name the dopers who haven't been caught - when the fact they haven't been caught means they haven't been identified?
Try this: only 1% of those athletes tested return a positive and yet WADA has estimated that up to 40% of athletes may be doping. Confidential athlete surveys have shown that at least 30% of championship competitors are doping, if not higher than that, and other antidoping experts have said the incidence in some sports will be 80-90%. Recently, a Bulgarian weightlifter received the bronze medal in his event from London, as the 6 above him all tested positive - and yet he is meanwhile serving a doping ban.
Every sport uses doping. I wouldn't bet that Bryson de Chambeau's monstrous drives just come from eating a lot of steaks.
Strongarmlivs wrote:
He is the most ignorant poster here because he refuses to consider any opinions but his own. He doesn't provide any facts for anything.
Not like you.
Hassan is the greatest athlete SPORT has seen ever. No debate.
+1, and she is quite beautiful also on a physical level, especially with those tantalizing eyes of hers.
The only negative I have with regard to her appearance is an apparent receding hairline which I seem to see in quite a few elite female runners including Obiri of Kenya. Not sure what that is about? Maybe it’s due to hormone alterations because of very hard training, and alterations to chemical levels in the body brought about by that very hard training and alteration to estrogen levels.
Ghost1 wrote:
+1, and she is quite beautiful also on a physical level, especially with those tantalizing eyes of hers.
The only negative I have with regard to her appearance is an apparent receding hairline which I seem to see in quite a few elite female runners including Obiri of Kenya. Not sure what that is about? Maybe it’s due to hormone alterations because of very hard training, and alterations to chemical levels in the body brought about by that very hard training and alteration to estrogen levels.
I'll go with "alterations to the chemical levels in the body". Without a doubt. A receding hairline in women goes with increased testosterone.
e h wrote:
Hassan is the greatest athlete SPORT has seen ever. No debate.
Secretariat was faster. And no one thinks he was on anything except oats.
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