Robert Brandt ROASTS Tinman and Drew Hunter gets feelings hurt

If the Brojos had any sense, they would go all in on trying to get a Hunter vs. Brandt match race going during COVID.

No way racing in going to go on this fall. This would be the most hyped event of the summer after this beef.

LETS DO THIS

your parents wrote:

You're reinforcing my point - the forum post is his moment in the spotlight because he randomly came at Tinman Elite.

Right, but it's more that he said anything at all, not because it's directed at Tinman. I guarantee if he took shots at say NAU or BYU, there would be a post here.

Tinman guys are barely more popular than a good college runner like Brandt. To say that he has Tinman to thank for making him "famous" is laughable.

your parents wrote:

Amory wrote:

I think you greatly overestimate the popularity of Tinman...

What does that say about the popularity of this other nobody? How would staying off social media help their popularity?

Hitler was also very popular.

I remember when Drew Hunter first became a big deal RinTinTin said something like “there’s lots of potential Drew Hunters out there they just don’t have the right guidance.” I’m paraphrasing badly. But the translation is, Drew isn’t special, I’m special. Haven’t been a big TinEar fan since. I have nothing else to add to this discussion.

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

I remember when Drew Hunter first became a big deal RinTinTin said something like “there’s lots of potential Drew Hunters out there they just don’t have the right guidance.” I’m paraphrasing badly. But the translation is, Drew isn’t special, I’m special. Haven’t been a big TinEar fan since. I have nothing else to add to this discussion.

Yes, this take from Tinman was astoundingly arrogant. Anyone could tell how much raw talent Drew had when he won Penn relays in Grade 10. Just total power.

Amory wrote:

your parents wrote:

You're reinforcing my point - the forum post is his moment in the spotlight because he randomly came at Tinman Elite.

Right, but it's more that he said anything at all, not because it's directed at Tinman. I guarantee if he took shots at say NAU or BYU, there would be a post here.

Tinman guys are barely more popular than a good college runner like Brandt. To say that he has Tinman to thank for making him "famous" is laughable.

If he had taken a shot at you, there would be no thread. Don't kid yourself.

He should bask in his momentary spotlight.

syj wrote:

your parents wrote:

What does that say about the popularity of this other nobody? How would staying off social media help their popularity?

Hitler was also very popular.

Hahahahaha nice Godwin's law.

I didn't say me, I said NAU or BYU. Top college programs. Tinman is basically at the popularity of a top college program. Probably less to be honest.

I don't know why you brought me into this. I am a nobody, and I never suggested otherwise.

Mr.Andy wrote:

Robert Brandt is a very accomplished runner with PRs of

7:50-3k

13:36-5k

28:55-10k

Also is a 4x All American

He ran for Diaz and Meza at Jesuit High.

DC runner 2 wrote:

If the Brojos had any sense, they would go all in on trying to get a Hunter vs. Brandt match race going during COVID.

No way racing in going to go on this fall. This would be the most hyped event of the summer after this beef.

LETS DO THIS

I know a lot of people hate on Drew, but Brandt couldn't carry Drew's lunchbox.

1500 3:35 vs 3:44

3k 7:39 vs 7:50

5k 13:21 vs 13:36

I'm not sure how much you could hype up a race between the two when Brandt isn't close to him. I would have preferred Drew to say something along the lines of who is this guy? instead of saying he hurt his feelings, but not everyone wants to trash talk.

Mr.Andy wrote:

Robert Brandt

Who?

I’m taking rob in any race, he’s the gutsiest racer in the NCAA! Also Rob would take Drew on a tour on the xc course

Mr.Andy wrote:

I’m taking rob in any race, he’s the gutsiest racer in the NCAA! Also Rob would take Drew on a tour on the xc course

Okay, you’re either Rob, which is just sad, or in love with him, which is just sad.

I’m not sure which is worse, actually

If the popularity of the dig is dependent on the target that’s not a great argument that the targeter is the one making it newsworthy. That was why I used you as an example - to illustrate that point.

Amory wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

I remember when Drew Hunter first became a big deal RinTinTin said something like “there’s lots of potential Drew Hunters out there they just don’t have the right guidance.” I’m paraphrasing badly. But the translation is, Drew isn’t special, I’m special. Haven’t been a big TinEar fan since. I have nothing else to add to this discussion.

Yes, this take from Tinman was astoundingly arrogant. Anyone could tell how much raw talent Drew had when he won Penn relays in Grade 10. Just total power.

Why should we trust a random LRC user over what Tinman is saying with 30+ years of experience in exercise physiology and coaching? Since you mentioned Penn relays, where he beat senior Justyn Knight as sophomore and won the 3k in 8:16, I'll also stick to facts.

Drew Hunter as freshman ran as PRs:

800m - 2:04

1600m - 4:41

He also ran a XC race in 18:15, and improved to 15:45 on the same course one year later.

As sophomore, he ran 4:10 and 1:58. And the 8:16 3k as mentioned above.

What Tinman wants to illustrate is that each year, there is a decent number of HS kids that can run 2:04 & 4:41 as freshman, but fail to improve at the rate that Hunter did because their coaching isn't optimal. The only thing that made him take off 2.5 minutes in XC and 30s in the 1600 in 12 months of training was Tinman training, focused on CV, Tinman tempos, strides, hilly long runs, and hill reps. That's literally all he did that year. Meanwhile, other kids were hammering VO2MAX intervals, anaerobic intervals, all-out sprints, etc. Some of them got raced twice a week in XC. Their 800m time might have improved more than Hunter's, but they never built the same aerobic conditioning and stamina as Hunter.

Hunter's 800m time was better than his 1600 as freshman, but a lot worse than his 1600 time as sophomore - this is a direct result of the training that Tinman prescribes. He did become an aerobic monster tho with endless stamina and was destroying all aerobic races, the mile (~80% aerobic at 4:10 speed), 3k and XC.

You make is sound like Drew is a "once in a decade" natural talent which couldn't be further from the truth. There are tens of thousands of parents who were both runners. Drew IS highly talented, but to say that there is only one Drew Hunter every 5 years is simply wrong. Tinman said there are 10-15 each year, with maybe 2-3 being trained correctly. Grant Fisher, Justyn Knight, etc. are some of these that also got trained correctly. But there are also 10 kids who either didn't get into track/XC, or didn't receive optimal training, but had the genetic potential.

your parents wrote:

If the popularity of the dig is dependent on the target that’s not a great argument that the targeter is the one making it newsworthy. That was why I used you as an example - to illustrate that point.

I still don't think you understand. It's noteworthy because both of them are at a similar level of popularity. If I had made the post, Drew Hunter would obviously feel no reason to comment since I'm a nobody. Brandt is on a similar level to Hunter/Tinman, which is why he felt the need to engage.

I would posit that if Hunter didn't respond, someone would have made a thread anyway (albeit with fewer pages than this one).

I think it's simply incorrect that Hunter is "elevating" Brandt's popularity in any meaningful way just by commenting on his post. If we were talking about someone like Centro for example, I'd agree with you. Tinman simply isn't as important or popular as you think.

I had to stop after “similar levels of popularity” because I was laughing too hard to continue.

You're using an appeal to authority. That's a common fallacy.

Another difference that you overlooked is that Hunter is one year older. What you attribute to Tinman training, I attribute largely to simply being older, growing into his adult body.

Now, I'm sure Tinman's training is fine, even good, but I do not buy that he has a special ability to turn mediocre 9th graders into 8:16 3k runners in a year. I would indeed say that there is only one Drew Hunter every 5 years. Track isn't just about physical ability, but also the mental will to endure a specific type of training.

I am of the belief that coaching is overrated, and that most coaches have overinflated egos. Coaching is not complicated. As long as you don't screw the athlete up, you've done well as a coach.

No. The reason why many 4:40 2:0x freshman don’t improve much is because they ran in middle school or earlier and either have already trained too hard, or don’t care enough about the sport anymore. If there were 2 or 3 Drew hunter like kids every year, we would see 2-3 high schoolers running under 4:00 for the mile or national record constantly being broken or almost broken. I took 5 minutes off my 5k time in high school in two years without any “tinman training”. CV pace is nothing new, basically 10k pace. Tinman tempos are just sub T tempos aka marathon pace. Strides, hill reps, hilly long runs are even more widely used. Any somewhat knowledgeable coach could’ve made drew hunter a sub 4 miler in high school.