Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

The amount of Corruption and Stealing of billions of US dollars going on in Afghanistan came to light when the US trained Afghan army immediately threw in the towel. It was known by all those involved but nobody had the guts to own the withdrawal and end of it.

Biden took a temporary hit but the longer time goes on the more accurate it will come into view. It had to be stopped. It was useless.. Even Obama did not want it on his resume....

It will be hard to spin it as negative when this truth is widely known. But you can be sure the GQP with Fox will sure try.

Hardloper wrote:

Deep thoughts... wrote:

He had the balls to take us out of the loser war Afghanistan (Voters will forget it was messy and will be glad we are out).

That's not the case... people don't care about Afghanistan per se, but it revealed his incompetence in a way that he did not and will not recover from.

While I certainly see both sides, I didn't agree with getting out of Afghanistan. Of course, I do agree that it was done poorly. In this case, I disagree with his decision, but I don't necessarily see it as an indication of incompetence. I think that that mostly falls on the Departments of State and Defense. All kinds of senior folks in both of those organizations probably should have done a lot better. Now, I have no problem with "the buck stopping" at Biden. He's CINC. But again, I don't necessarily see it as a clear indication of incompetence.

Carter and the failed Iranian hostage rescue might be roughly analogous.

And both might be seen as good examples of how an unsophisticated country simplistically evaluates their leaders.

And ditto "gas was expensive," and "the stock market went up/down," and "the SEALS got Bin Laden," and.......

agip wrote:

agip wrote:

I think you could pitch pretty well ' our sons and daughters are no longer being sent into combat, for the first time in a generation. The forever wars have ended. I got that done.'

I think that will sell pretty well among the white suburban women he needs.

Esp because two of biden's sons served in the armed forces.

to elaborate, sure, the white male rogan set won't buy it. But they aren't Biden's people. Biden needs the lefties to show up and the white suburban moms to swing his way. Anti-war is a decent way to do that. Anti-war got obama elected.

' I didn't start this war but I ended it' is a powerful thing to say.

I don't think Americans are that anti-war enough. They'll say they're anti-war, but they were fine with a small number of troops in Afghanistan and mostly ignoring the issue.

Let me put it this way: "Deep thoughts..." says people will forget how ugly the Afghanistan withdraw was and be glad we were out. I think the opposite is true: People will forget to be glad we were out and only remember how ugly it was.

fox news fan... wrote:

The amount of Corruption and Stealing of billions of US dollars going on in Afghanistan came to light when the US trained Afghan army immediately threw in the towel. It was known by all those involved but nobody had the guts to own the withdrawal and end of it.

Biden took a temporary hit but the longer time goes on the more accurate it will come into view. It had to be stopped. It was useless.. Even Obama did not want it on his resume....

It will be hard to spin it as negative when this truth is widely known. But you can be sure the GQP with Fox will sure try.

The truth, however one sees it, will not be more widely known. A whole hell of a lot of Americans don't care much about foreign policy. They didn't really care about AFG when we were there, they didn't care much about it when we pulled out, and now that the country has completely moved on (before the leaves were turning colors last fall) they won't gain new perspectives on it.

A small number of experts, academics, pundits, and their readers will, but not the vast majority of Americans.

It's just done.

And just to be perfectly clear, I'm NOT saying that it couldn't be used in future political campaigning. Just that Americans, by and large, won't be anymore informed on the topic than they were last summer when we pulled out.

ladies and gentlemen..... The President of the United States of America:

On January 6th:

"Trump’s attention was so rapt that he hit rewind and watched certain moments again... 'Look at all of the people fighting for me,' Trump said... At one point, the president was confused why staffers weren’t as excited as he was watching the unrest unfold."

Hardloper wrote:

agip wrote:

to elaborate, sure, the white male rogan set won't buy it. But they aren't Biden's people. Biden needs the lefties to show up and the white suburban moms to swing his way. Anti-war is a decent way to do that. Anti-war got obama elected.

' I didn't start this war but I ended it' is a powerful thing to say.

I don't think Americans are that anti-war enough. They'll say they're anti-war, but they were fine with a small number of troops in Afghanistan and mostly ignoring the issue.

Let me put it this way: "Deep thoughts..." says people will forget how ugly the Afghanistan withdraw was and be glad we were out. I think the opposite is true: People will forget to be glad we were out and only remember how ugly it was.

People have hated our longest war ever for a number of years. So many are relived we are out. But how they remember it will depend on their prior mental set. Those who hate Biden will remember it as a screw-up, those who like Biden will remember it as being freed from a never ending loser war.

The poor elected Republican officials. The Trump cult is completely humiliating them. They have to say things that they don't believe and they have to kiss Trump's a$$. They have lost all dignity and self respect. See what happens when they slip up?

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/07/jd-vance-warning-ohio-senate-race-00006310

But nonelected leading Republicans are able to speak the truth. Over 140 leading Republicans condemned the RNC for censuring Republicans for being ethical and telling the truth. Nothing like this has ever happened before in either party. The Republican party is just sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jD0EjdFO90

Those poor weak Republicans.

Deep thoughts... wrote:

The poor elected Republican officials. The Trump cult is completely humiliating them. They have to say things that they don't believe and they have to kiss Trump's a$$. They have lost all dignity and self respect. See what happens when they slip up?

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/07/jd-vance-warning-ohio-senate-race-00006310

But nonelected leading Republicans are able to speak the truth. Over 140 leading Republicans condemned the RNC for censuring Republicans for being ethical and telling the truth. Nothing like this has ever happened before in either party. The Republican party is just sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jD0EjdFO90

Those poor weak Republicans.

Haha good find. I enjoyed scanning through that PPT presentation, and hope that trump simp gets destroyed.

The GQP is now made up of - 1) a few RINOs who don't like to lie or kiss TFG's a$$, 2) Several who make reasonable statements from time to time and flip flop, but who are all out trumpers when on FOX, 3) Tzees (arguably a majority of the party now).

Deep thoughts... wrote:

The poor elected Republican officials. The Trump cult is completely humiliating them. They have to say things that they don't believe and they have to kiss Trump's a$$. They have lost all dignity and self respect. See what happens when they slip up?

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/07/jd-vance-warning-ohio-senate-race-00006310

But nonelected leading Republicans are able to speak the truth. Over 140 leading Republicans condemned the RNC for censuring Republicans for being ethical and telling the truth. Nothing like this has ever happened before in either party. The Republican party is just sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jD0EjdFO90

Those poor weak Republicans.

ETTD

(If you are aware of any exceptions, I would like to know about them)

Hardloper wrote:

Deep thoughts... wrote:

He had the balls to take us out of the loser war Afghanistan (Voters will forget it was messy and will be glad we are out).

That's not the case... people don't care about Afghanistan per se, but it revealed his incompetence in a way that he did not and will not recover from.

Only really stupid people think getting out of a warzone is easy. I suppose they think we will hand a giant key to the Taliban or something.

Their army collapses, their government flees, we get 120k+ people out with a minimum loss of life. It was a frigging miracle. No one was going to do better under those circumstances.

Hardloper wrote:

Deep thoughts... wrote:

He had the balls to take us out of the loser war Afghanistan (Voters will forget it was messy and will be glad we are out).

That's not the case... people don't care about Afghanistan per se, but it revealed his incompetence in a way that he did not and will not recover from.

Complaining about how U.S. exited Afghanistan means you are: 1) an admiral or general in U.S military (I doubt it); 2) a highly ranked person in U.S. weapon industry (I doubt it), 3) a highly ranked person in U.S. intelligence industry (I doubt it); 4) a stooge for U.S. M.I.C. (most likely).

U.S. military industrial complex wanted U.S. to stay in Afghanistan forever like Cuba/Okinawa/South Korea/Germany/Iraq/Saudi Arabia/etc. Anyone who challenges M.I.C. gets the business in the media. Both Democrat & Republican politicians attack Biden for The Way U.S. Left Afghanistan. Those at D.o.D. and U.S. intelligence industry have their stooges at NYT/WAPO/PBS/ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/WSJ/etc. All it takes is head at C.I.A. or chief of staff at C.I.A. or public affairs officer at C.I.A. to make phone calls and say Biden is an idiot and you all fall for it. D.o.D., intelligence industry and weapons industry are pissed Biden killed their little fun war.

Deep thoughts... wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

I don't think Americans are that anti-war enough. They'll say they're anti-war, but they were fine with a small number of troops in Afghanistan and mostly ignoring the issue.

Let me put it this way: "Deep thoughts..." says people will forget how ugly the Afghanistan withdraw was and be glad we were out. I think the opposite is true: People will forget to be glad we were out and only remember how ugly it was.

People have hated our longest war ever for a number of years. So many are relived we are out. But how they remember it will depend on their prior mental set. Those who hate Biden will remember it as a screw-up, those who like Biden will remember it as being freed from a never ending loser war.

How do you guys explain the big August 2021 drop in his poll numbers (both on foreign policy and in general) that he never recovered from then? Clearly some minds were changed.

Hardloper wrote:

Deep thoughts... wrote:

People have hated our longest war ever for a number of years. So many are relived we are out. But how they remember it will depend on their prior mental set. Those who hate Biden will remember it as a screw-up, those who like Biden will remember it as being freed from a never ending loser war.

How do you guys explain the big August 2021 drop in his poll numbers (both on foreign policy and in general) that he never recovered from then? Clearly some minds were changed.

Leaving around 9,000 Americans behind in Afghanistsn isn't helping Biden either.

Lets go Brandon!

#FJB

Hardloper wrote:

Deep thoughts... wrote:

People have hated our longest war ever for a number of years. So many are relived we are out. But how they remember it will depend on their prior mental set. Those who hate Biden will remember it as a screw-up, those who like Biden will remember it as being freed from a never ending loser war.

How do you guys explain the big August 2021 drop in his poll numbers (both on foreign policy and in general) that he never recovered from then? Clearly some minds were changed.

IMO, media outlets across the board went too far in beating him up for an arguably very successful pullout. Apparently the bar for a D POTUS is so much higher than for a R. If it was Trump FOX would have cemented it as the most successfully military exit in history, or it would have just gotten watered down by the daily f ups. And no, there is no denying that right wing media would have protected him at all costs.

The other factor is that in general messing with a military conflict (entering or exiting) is a risky political move that never helps the POTUS. This is exactly why no other POTUS before him had the guts to do it - they were afraid of this kind of backlash. The right of course rode the Afghanistan momentum and has been maxing out their gaslighting. I am glad he ripped the band aid now, as public opinion of his handling it will change for the better before the next election. People will look back at this as a genuine move that Biden had the courage to make despite losing popularity. The only things that have the potential to really derail Biden are the economy flailing badly and some serious health issue.

None of that matters of course because he'll be running against trump.

Yes. The networks beat up on Biden to prove they weren't biased fake news so they over compensated. But the question wasn't how people felt about it when it happened, the question was how they will remember it.

And yes again, Biden's greatest asset is the crazy Donald Trump bringing down the party. And their isn't anything thinking Republicans can do about it. They are weak and trapped so they continue pretending the big lie is true.

How many of those "as many as 9000" attempted to leave? If the house is burning down and people try to get you out, but you decide you want to stay, is it anyone's fault but your own?

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

Leaving around 9,000 Americans behind in Afghanistsn isn't helping Biden either.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/02/biden-abandoned-as-many-as-9000-americans-in-afghanistan-new-report-shows/

Hardloper wrote:

Deep thoughts... wrote:

People have hated our longest war ever for a number of years. So many are relived we are out. But how they remember it will depend on their prior mental set. Those who hate Biden will remember it as a screw-up, those who like Biden will remember it as being freed from a never ending loser war.

How do you guys explain the big August 2021 drop in his poll numbers (both on foreign policy and in general) that he never recovered from then? Clearly some minds were changed.

And once again the LR libs are out of touch with the majority of America. Biden has never recovered from this debacle.