roller coaster wrote:
agip wrote:
Lead stories:
NYT: Jobs report, Putin-China meeting
WSJ: Jobs report
WaPo: jobs report
Fox: Covid lockdowns and trans swimmers.
Again, rube TV.
Why didn't you do CNN?
CNN is not a great news source.
they don't make stuff up but they let their search for clicks and eyeballs color their news judgement.
'news as sports' is the best description I've seen.
I trust their reporting to be accurate, but not their news placement.
roller coaster wrote:
agip wrote:
Lead stories:
NYT: Jobs report, Putin-China meeting
WSJ: Jobs report
WaPo: jobs report
Fox: Covid lockdowns and trans swimmers.
Again, rube TV.
Why didn't you do CNN?
At the moment, top three across the webpage: Covid numbers down, UPenn swimmer, Aubrey killer
agip wrote:
roller coaster wrote:
Why didn't you do CNN?
CNN is not a great news source.
they don't make stuff up but they let their search for clicks and eyeballs color their news judgement.
'news as sports' is the best description I've seen.
I trust their reporting to be accurate, but not their news placement.
You compared 3 newspapers to 1 cable news channel.
At least compare apples to apples.
Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
It IS important that the American people voted his dumb, fat ass out, but that's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle to win election the first time. We could have a situation that allows that to happen again...deep recession, Biden DIES or becomes incapacitated right before the election, etc. Trump is a criminal. He tried to overthrow a fair election and completely ruin our democracy. If he had enough sycophants willing to go along with him, it might have happened. He needs to go to prison for that. He needs to go to prison for he fraud his company has engaged in. It's not good enough to just say that he was voted out.
I do not want to live under a dictator rule. I do not want my children or their children to live under a dictator rule. This nonsense needs to be punished mightily.
He certainly has enough now. Based on the GQP's massive efforts to further suppress votes, the issue to them was that clearly his coup efforts simply did not have enough "legal" support. They are working on that now.
Complete insanity. The party that has so championed freedom is showing they are for anything but.
Trollminator wrote:
What do you think tzees? Does any of what she says resonate with you?
https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1489410422172262404?s=20&t=YCAHMUqqdl0838AjTTzxbA
Resonate?!? WTF R U talking about?
Can you say RINO? What about DEEP STATE?
FAKE News!
Beta male.
Pfffft! So much for your twitter link!
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Funny. Giving others advice on debating. Debating, in this case, would be you Trumpers showing ANY inclination to ACTUALLY weigh the negatives of Trump versus the negatives of a Biden/D administration. I've been reasonably conservative for decades. I'm VERY used to finding fault with D administrations. Thing is, and here's where the "debating" comes in, there IS no debate about whether Trump or Biden is worse for America.
But hey, you could try. But you don't. You don't try to explain why you think that Trump's (potentially nation-destroying) faults are less than Biden's run-of-the-mill politician faults.
F off.
Biden's bumbling record:
Inflation rates approaching 40 yr highs
Energy prices soaring to the point where he begged OPEC to increase production
A record $30T debt
Shutdowns reduced and had the gall to claim that he created new jobs when in reality they were the SAME jobs before Covid.
UnConstitutional mandates slapped down by the courts.
Majority negative approval across all polls
Illegal aliens storming our border in record numbers and then wasting our tax dollars by flying them all over the country.
You continue to support the worst POTUS since Jimmy Carter and remain completely out of touch with the majority of America. 🤡
Lets go Brandon!
#FJB
You know, rudeness and snarkiness aside, you continue to prove that "dumb" does pretty well describe it.
You say a bunch of unfavorable things about the current POTUS and the state of America. But no comparison to the current alternative.
More to the point, you suggest that I support Biden. If you had a half a clue, you'd realize that the point that I and many others on this string are making is that just about ANYONE is better than a wanna-be dictator. Is that REALLY that hard for you to understand?
And about majorities, you could go ahead and remember the numbers from the last election. They don't exactly support your argument.
Yes, just plain ole' dumb.
Real Obvi wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
What do you think tzees? Does any of what she says resonate with you?
https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1489410422172262404?s=20&t=YCAHMUqqdl0838AjTTzxbAResonate?!? WTF R U talking about?
Can you say RINO? What about DEEP STATE?
FAKE News!
Beta male.
Pfffft! So much for your twitter link!
Oh, I almost forgot - Hunter Biden's emails!!!!!
roller coaster wrote:
agip wrote:
CNN is not a great news source.
they don't make stuff up but they let their search for clicks and eyeballs color their news judgement.
'news as sports' is the best description I've seen.
I trust their reporting to be accurate, but not their news placement.
You compared 3 newspapers to 1 cable news channel.
At least compare apples to apples.
fair criticism, to some degree.
I'd argue back that if you read the NYT or WaPo or WSJ, you are a/ getting true news and b/ almost for sure getting news from more than one source.
I suspect those who get their news from Fox get their news ONLY from Fox, to a much larger degree. Fox has created a right wing ecosphere that locks people in and creates a trumpist world-view. A worldview that does not correspond to the nation as a whole. And that's all they get.
But fair enough - newspapers and cable news networks are cousins but not sister.
Flagpole wrote:
Prof. Racket wrote:
He was held accountable when 81 million people voted his fat retarded @ss out off office in 2020. Whether or not he goes to prison or any of the other side-quests you have lined up for him is irrelevant. Plea deals of convenience or backroom agreements to just get him to stfu could happen outside of the public domain.
The important thing is that when push came to shove, the American people showed up on election day and took care of business.
It IS important that the American people voted his dumb, fat ass out, but that's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle to win election the first time. We could have a situation that allows that to happen again...deep recession, Biden DIES or becomes incapacitated right before the election, etc. Trump is a criminal. He tried to overthrow a fair election and completely ruin our democracy. If he had enough sycophants willing to go along with him, it might have happened. He needs to go to prison for that. He needs to go to prison for he fraud his company has engaged in. It's not good enough to just say that he was voted out.
I do not want to live under a dictator rule. I do not want my children or their children to live under a dictator rule. This nonsense needs to be punished mightily.
I very much agree. "A nation of laws," or whatever legal/political expression best describes it, doesn't simply mean that law breakers lose their jobs. That's far, far from good enough. And putting aside extremely violent crimes, I'm not sure that there is a worse crime (or at least one HOPES that it's somehow a crime) than trying to steal a presidential election (and for yourself, no less!).
As an everyday non-lawyer citizen, I'm often struck by how many broken laws a given person is charged with after committing what most of us would identify as just one transgression. You know, whether it be the drunken violet guy at the football game, or whatever, the news tells you (within hours, or a day or two?) how he was charged with 6 different things.
But SOMEHOW, a President of the United States can CLEARLY, and over the course of months, try to steal a presidential election, and over a year later, experts and non-experts alike STILL seem to be trying to figure out if he broke any laws ?!?!
I have no doubt that our legal system is sophisticated in many, many ways. But geez, in so many instances, it appears to be ANYTHING but.
I had two enormous wake up calls that took place in the last 5 years.
1. This countries institutions including the Justice department are nowhere near as strong as I thought they were. I would have never imagined that they could have been so easily dismantled and undermined by a corrupt leader. Just in the last couple of days Department of Justice officials pleaded the 5th to hundreds of questions in a congressional inquiry. That's right. These are leaders of the Department of Justice!
2. I naively thought this countries form of government had checks and balances built in and a corrupt dictator could never rise to power here. Because the President has to answer to the Judicial and the Legislative branch. Within 3 years we witnessed a narcissistic Reality show carnival barker destroy what I thought were the most promising forms of rule. Never would have believed that one.
agip wrote:
roller coaster wrote:
You compared 3 newspapers to 1 cable news channel.
At least compare apples to apples.
fair criticism, to some degree.
I'd argue back that if you read the NYT or WaPo or WSJ, you are a/ getting true news and b/ almost for sure getting news from more than one source.
I suspect those who get their news from Fox get their news ONLY from Fox, to a much larger degree. Fox has created a right wing ecosphere that locks people in and creates a trumpist world-view. A worldview that does not correspond to the nation as a whole. And that's all they get.
But fair enough - newspapers and cable news networks are cousins but not sister.
My rough breakdown, and this coming from a middle-aged guy who's been frustrated with left-leaning journalism since college:
1) Mainstream media has, for a very long time, been heavily dominated by left-leaning journalists. Human nature being what it is, this leads to a left-leaning bias (which stories covered, and the way they're covered). That same media also obviously has "the audience" in mind, and if that audience also leans left, it reinforces the first factor. Countering those two forces are "journalistic standards." The result is a mixed bag. Lots of very fair reporting, and some pretty obvious bias. Grade? B or B-minus, something like that?
2) Fox. Since Trump, at least, apparently heavily dominated by the second factor, their audience. Speaking of cable audiences, at least, I think of it this way: MSNBC or CNN can say something negative about the Biden administration and LOTS of their viewers are NOT screaming swear words at the screen. But, in trailers all across America, that's what Fox gets/would get if they did the same to Trump. Grade: From what I've seen here and there during the Trump era, D-, F ?
nonequals wrote:
roller coaster wrote:
Why didn't you do CNN?
At the moment, top three across the webpage: Covid numbers down, UPenn swimmer, Aubrey killer
Update: COVID numbers, UPenn swimmer, and now "Mitt Romney criticizes RNC over resolution to censure Kinzinger and Cheney"
Fox may also cover the third one, of course. One or more visitors suggesting to "Hang Mitt Romney," perhaps !!
One last point....
DJT is an inept leader in many ways. Many things he did showed just how inept he was. And he surrounded himself with a class of B grade idiots with a revolving door of them coming and going. So for someone so pathetic to destroy and discredit strong govt. institutions and laws and standards, just imagine what a smart and competent wanna be dictator could do.
Don't think the US enemies did not watch closely at how easily Trump did what he did.
fox news fan... wrote:
I had two enormous wake up calls that took place in the last 5 years.
1. This countries institutions including the Justice department are nowhere near as strong as I thought they were. I would have never imagined that they could have been so easily dismantled and undermined by a corrupt leader. Just in the last couple of days Department of Justice officials pleaded the 5th to hundreds of questions in a congressional inquiry. That's right. These are leaders of the Department of Justice!
2. I naively thought this countries form of government had checks and balances built in and a corrupt dictator could never rise to power here. Because the President has to answer to the Judicial and the Legislative branch. Within 3 years we witnessed a narcissistic Reality show carnival barker destroy what I thought were the most promising forms of rule. Never would have believed that one.
Right there with you.
The nation survives another scrape, as Trumpists lose their bid to be able to overturn elections in AZ
(CNN)A Republican bill that would have overhauled elections in Arizona -- including giving the state legislature the power to reject election results -- proved to be too much even for state GOP leaders this week.
Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, a Republican, quietly doomed House Bill 2596 on Tuesday with an unusual parliamentary maneuver.
The speaker assigns all new bills to a committee for consideration before they can have full House votes, a choice that often has a great effect on a measure's chance of success. But on Tuesday, Bowers took the unprecedented step of ordering all 12 House committees to consider the elections bill, virtually ensuring it will never reach the floor.
The bill's lead sponsor, Republican state Rep. John Fillmore, referred to the move as a "12-committee lynching" in an interview with CNN affiliate KPHO/KTVK.
Bowers and Fillmore did not respond to CNN's request for comment Thursday.
Under the bill, Arizona legislators would meet in a special session to review the ballot tabulating process for primary and general elections and decide whether to "accept or reject election results." If the legislature rejected the results, "any qualified elector may file an action in the Superior Court to request that a new election be held," the bill says.
roller coaster wrote:
agip wrote:
CNN is not a great news source.
they don't make stuff up but they let their search for clicks and eyeballs color their news judgement.
'news as sports' is the best description I've seen.
I trust their reporting to be accurate, but not their news placement.
You compared 3 newspapers to 1 cable news channel.
At least compare apples to apples.
I think he was just highlighting to the tzees once again that they should maybe shift away from entertainment TV for their news
Real Obvi wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
Resonate?!? WTF R U talking about?
Can you say RINO? What about DEEP STATE?
FAKE News!
Beta male.
Pfffft! So much for your twitter link!
Oh, I almost forgot - Hunter Biden's emails!!!!!
Yes, can't leave that out!
agip wrote:
The nation survives another scrape, as Trumpists lose their bid to be able to overturn elections in AZ
(CNN)A Republican bill that would have overhauled elections in Arizona -- including giving the state legislature the power to reject election results -- proved to be too much even for state GOP leaders this week.
Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, a Republican, quietly doomed House Bill 2596 on Tuesday with an unusual parliamentary maneuver.
The speaker assigns all new bills to a committee for consideration before they can have full House votes, a choice that often has a great effect on a measure's chance of success. But on Tuesday, Bowers took the unprecedented step of ordering all 12 House committees to consider the elections bill, virtually ensuring it will never reach the floor.
The bill's lead sponsor, Republican state Rep. John Fillmore, referred to the move as a "12-committee lynching" in an interview with CNN affiliate KPHO/KTVK.
Bowers and Fillmore did not respond to CNN's request for comment Thursday.
Under the bill, Arizona legislators would meet in a special session to review the ballot tabulating process for primary and general elections and decide whether to "accept or reject election results." If the legislature rejected the results, "any qualified elector may file an action in the Superior Court to request that a new election be held," the bill says.
Well, they cyber ninjas debacle was a total $hitshow which turned out to be another major grift. This is them now quietly sweeping the whole thing under the rug.
Suck on that Gary
fox news fan... wrote:
One last point....
DJT is an inept leader in many ways. Many things he did showed just how inept he was. And he surrounded himself with a class of B grade idiots with a revolving door of them coming and going. So for someone so pathetic to destroy and discredit strong govt. institutions and laws and standards, just imagine what a smart and competent wanna be dictator could do.
Don't think the US enemies did not watch closely at how easily Trump did what he did.
No doubt true. And, of course, many, many folks have pointed out that a slightly smarter Trump could have REALLY done some damage.
On the other hand, in a country with so very few things to feel good about, one CAN reasonably hope that the pool of people smarter than Trump (large) AND with anything near his deficit of ethics and morality and restraint (small?) is pretty darn small. One can hope, at least......
In the movies, of course, they'd find someone JUST like this. In fact, I think that it was the Omen/Damien series......
nonequals wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
It IS important that the American people voted his dumb, fat ass out, but that's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle to win election the first time. We could have a situation that allows that to happen again...deep recession, Biden DIES or becomes incapacitated right before the election, etc. Trump is a criminal. He tried to overthrow a fair election and completely ruin our democracy. If he had enough sycophants willing to go along with him, it might have happened. He needs to go to prison for that. He needs to go to prison for he fraud his company has engaged in. It's not good enough to just say that he was voted out.
I do not want to live under a dictator rule. I do not want my children or their children to live under a dictator rule. This nonsense needs to be punished mightily.
I very much agree. "A nation of laws," or whatever legal/political expression best describes it, doesn't simply mean that law breakers lose their jobs. That's far, far from good enough. And putting aside extremely violent crimes, I'm not sure that there is a worse crime (or at least one HOPES that it's somehow a crime) than trying to steal a presidential election (and for yourself, no less!).
As an everyday non-lawyer citizen, I'm often struck by how many broken laws a given person is charged with after committing what most of us would identify as just one transgression. You know, whether it be the drunken violet guy at the football game, or whatever, the news tells you (within hours, or a day or two?) how he was charged with 6 different things.
But SOMEHOW, a President of the United States can CLEARLY, and over the course of months, try to steal a presidential election, and over a year later, experts and non-experts alike STILL seem to be trying to figure out if he broke any laws ?!?!
I have no doubt that our legal system is sophisticated in many, many ways. But geez, in so many instances, it appears to be ANYTHING but.
CORRECT! The bold part of your post above is especially important.