I agree with you that your accusations are unnecesary, and don't speak for the facts.
The AIU and WADA have yet to publish these facts for 2022.
Lord Coe has. So he has no authority to speak on these matters? No one in any official capacity has corrected him and Kenya has not disputed his statement. That leaves fantasists like you, who have nothing that says he is wrong.
I don't say that Lord Coe is wrong, but that you are wrong.
Lord Coe has authority to speak for the AIU, and the AIU also has the authority to speak for ifself.
What do you mean, I have nothing? I have WADA's ADRV figures from 2019 and WADA's testing figures from 2021. (I skipped the Covid year 2020).
when it comes to athletics, 40% of those currently serving bans are Kenyan
Carry on debating whether that's ok.
No one is debating "whether that's OK" -- even 12% is not "OK".
But it looks like the BBC Nairobi is mangling up some "facts" too. Fundamentally, "doping positives" and "serving bans" and "sanctions for ADRVs" are not interchangeable terms.
Coe talked about 40% "doping positives" over the course of a year being from Kenyans. It's not clear where BBC Nairobi reporter Lynne Wachira is getting "40% of those currently "serving bans" are Kenyan" from -- but this didn't come from Coe, and doesn't appear to come from the AIU.
Later she says "Seventeen Kenyan athletes failing doping tests in 2022" -- which is also not quite accurate. The AIU sanctioned 17 Kenyan athletes in 2022 in its "First Instance Decisions".
Without real data and context behind the percentages, I think this is all just another game of Chinese Whispers (aka the Telephone Game).
Yes, people who run every day at altitude have an advantage running at altitude. Just like runners who run in the snow every day might have an advantage running in snow,.or runners who run in the sea will have an advantage running in the sea. Would an Olympics held underwater be representative too? Somebody who cycles everyday is going to have an advantage at cycling over somebody who doesn't cycle. It's nothing to do with genetics.
Mexico was the only Olympics held at altitude and the Olympics committe promised never to hold them at altitude ever again. That's why it's not representative.
Yes, people who run every day at altitude have an advantage running at altitude. Just like runners who run in the snow every day might have an advantage running in snow,.or runners who run in the sea will have an advantage running in the sea. Would an Olympics held underwater be representative too? Somebody who cycles everyday is going to have an advantage at cycling over somebody who doesn't cycle. It's nothing to do with genetics.
I'm pretty sure when you write this kind of nonsense, even you are well aware how laughable it is.
What kind of advantage do Kenyans have for running at altitude?
Yes, people who run every day at altitude have an advantage running at altitude. Just like runners who run in the snow every day might have an advantage running in snow,.or runners who run in the sea will have an advantage running in the sea. Would an Olympics held underwater be representative too? Somebody who cycles everyday is going to have an advantage at cycling over somebody who doesn't cycle. It's nothing to do with genetics.
I'm pretty sure when you write this kind of nonsense, even you are well aware how laughable it is.
What kind of advantage do Kenyans have for running at altitude?
EPO. And everything else. A bust each week tells us that.
I'm pretty sure when you write this kind of nonsense, even you are well aware how laughable it is.
What kind of advantage do Kenyans have for running at altitude?
EPO. And everything else. A bust each week tells us that.
Ah, the letsrun checker no. 1 slides in, as usual he don't even get what it's about.
We can wait for more top contribution to the forum/thread like completely wrong statistics (knowingly or just too stupid?), denying of facts to an enormous extend, unlogical "reasoning" ("13.16" > "13.24" - almost anybody is doping, non Kenyans mostly try to be at the top legitimately) that it's almost hurting for fact and logic based posters.
EPO. And everything else. A bust each week tells us that.
Ah, the letsrun checker no. 1 slides in, as usual he don't even get what it's about.
We can wait for more top contribution to the forum/thread like completely wrong statistics (knowingly or just too stupid?), denying of facts to an enormous extend, unlogical "reasoning" ("13.16" > "13.24" - almost anybody is doping, non Kenyans mostly try to be at the top legitimately) that it's almost hurting for fact and logic based posters.
Your insistence that a 13.24 is faster than 13.16 - because it was run by a Kenyan - has always confirmed that you are up there amongst the most stupid ph*qs who have ever posted here.
Ah, the letsrun checker no. 1 slides in, as usual he don't even get what it's about.
We can wait for more top contribution to the forum/thread like completely wrong statistics (knowingly or just too stupid?), denying of facts to an enormous extend, unlogical "reasoning" ("13.16" > "13.24" - almost anybody is doping, non Kenyans mostly try to be at the top legitimately) that it's almost hurting for fact and logic based posters.
Your insistence that a 13.24 is faster than 13.16 - because it was run by a Kenyan - has always confirmed that you are up there amongst the most stupid ph*qs who have ever posted here.
Those are some great 110mH times! I don't think any Kenyan has run that fast.
Your insistence that a 13.24 is faster than 13.16 - because it was run by a Kenyan - has always confirmed that you are up there amongst the most stupid ph*qs who have ever posted here.
Those are some great 110mH times! I don't think any Kenyan has run that fast.
They will. They have a special gene for it. We are seeing that now with the sudden increase in their sprint performances. There's probably even a sprinting tribe. Or even a hurdling tribe.
Page 78 now. Wow. What we've learned in thoses thousands of words. Kenyans can run very well. Kenyans dominate marathon running globally. Kenya has the highest level of doping positives in long distance running globally.
This is an interesting article that appeared in Scientific American. I posted it in another thread here the other day. It explains how the Kalenjin operate a closed shop in Kenya as far as distance running is concerned, with other tribes not allowed to participate. Then this is exacerbated by foreign coaches preferring to coach Kalenjin runners.
It also recounts how in the 30's and 40's that scientific racists assumed the dominance of Finnish runners was due to natural advantages.
Perhaps the scientific racists here would like to explain how Scotland - with a population of 5 million - has had more sub 3:33 men in the last year (Wightman, Kerr, Gourley) than the Kalenjin with a population of 7 million (Tim, Kipsang)?
Perhaps the scientific racists here would like to explain how Scotland - with a population of 5 million - has had more sub 3:33 men in the last year (Wightman, Kerr, Gourley) than the Kalenjin with a population of 7 million (Tim, Kipsang)?
We know it's not genetics, right? Are you saying that Scotland found a new drug? Scotland is doing some amazing medical research.
Or maybe it is genetics after all -- Scotland is also doing some amazing genetic research too.
3:33.0 doesn't put you in the top-1000 performances.
Despite Armstrongliv straying off-topic, again, just to embellish the known facts in order to redeclare his faith in EPO (you were talking about altitude: "people who run every day at altitude have an advantage running at altitude"); he also fails basic fact checking:
- 5 weeks ago, the papers announced two women were sanctioned for steroids (AAS) and trimetazidine, for AAFs found in 2022. In both cases, the tribunal accepted it was unintentional in the scope of medical treatment, so they received a 2-year ban for their unintentional use.
- 3 weeks prior, the AIU sanction another woman for Triamcinolone acetonide.
So 3 sanctions in the last 8 weeks (or can we say 15 weeks dating back to mid-December 2022?), and none of them were for EPO.
Would you agree then that sea-level competitions favor sea-level athletes, and put East Africans at a disadvantage, and are not representative either?
I'm happy to see you expand your thinking now to include adapting to their environment. We have also seen non-African athletes like Ryan Hall, the Robertson twins, and Sondre Moen, improve due to longer term adaptations from living and training at altitude -- because humans share a lot of the same genes that help them adapt and survive in different environments with a wide array of stimulus/response mechanisms to help them cope with altered environments.
