Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

it's really a question of what happens when Trump dies or disappears from politics. Do the rubes just fade away, uninterested in politics after their hot marriage to Donald J Trump?

Or are they now permanently engaged with anti-Constitutional politics? And can the Dems manage the next 15 years by fixing themselves up into a solid alternative?

No one knows the answer, but Americans tend not to be fanatically political, so that's hopeful that they will just move on from Trump, having considered him an entertaining fling but not a lifetime love.

The fear is that the old racial terror has been evoked...that as white people lose more and more power they go nuts and feel so persecuted that they lash out in trumpist unconstitutional manners. Race is stronger than politics - the rubes may not be able to resist the call to tribe-up. And America has never had a white majority go to minority status.

NYC might be the closest analogue...the period around 120 years ago when new arrivals from Europe were a third or more of the city's population. I mean Jews were something like 25% of the city at one point. Not sure what that felt like to the natives. But it worked out well. But that was because immigrants are good and trumpist rubes are bad.

No they don't fade away, because the GQP IS trump. This is how they get votes and secure minority rule. Notice there was no attempt at all for the party to do a reset, even with Jan 6 posing a perfect opportunity for the GQP to tell Americans trump lost and they need to move on. The Ds will inevitably just shift to try to match the extreme policies and approach - they must if they want to survive the butchering of democracy by the Rs. They will need to go deep in the pig pen.

The GQP ONLY has the white minority left to appeal to.. it didn't have to be this way, but they got on that path long ago and it was simply much easier and more convenient to move to more extremes, especially as they see (sometimes even to their own surprise) the base desiring more and more extreme views. If the GQP doesn't have the white minority, it simply loses all it's power. That is not to say the party ceases to exist, but thus far it has not been forced to change.

Here, read this:

It was great to see karma at work this weekend btw. Novax thinks he's above the law and loses the opportunity to move one ahead of Federer and Nadal. Even worse for him, the guy who openly advocates for following rules wins another and moves in front of Djokovid. Now he has to beat Nadal on clay again to pull even. What a covidiot.

https://twitter.com/doltschevita/status/1487821197127655428?s=20&t=G_Q9f4_7DLTZFBvKQ1kcbA

Somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of Rs believe that the 2020 election was stolen from them. In their mind, Ds are the ones denying the popular will, and Trump is the defender of their "freedom." And most "independent" voters simply don't follow politics close enough. They are more interested in their kitchen table issues, and right now not very optimistic. For example, they have probably never heard of the fake elector scandal. I don't know if the 1/6 Select Committee could do anything to change their apathy.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

nonequals wrote:

And then you roll the dice on someone. And yes, sometimes justices don't go "the way" their nominator hoped. But I don't think that Presidents end up getting a whole lot of bad historical treatment for that. Folks understand that humans are unpredictable.

Umm... ever heard of George HW Bush? (And David Souter?)

How about Ike and Warren (Or Brennan)?

I guess Nixon got a pass on Blackman because everyone thought he (i.e. Nixon) was a conservative. Ike and Bush 41 did not have the same credential.

Not positive what your point is? In any event, its still seems to me that getting one of these "wrong" is still in the footnote category in the assessment of how good bad a president you were. It's much more of a curiosity than a damnation - or dominant characterization of the time as POTUS.

Question, because I don't follow such things closely: Were either of those picks seen AT THE TIME by many as being off-target?

Will things be better after Trump? Perhaps. But will they be worse than right before Trump? I think "Yes." Too many R politicians have learned that they can get away with - and indeed, be lauded for - stuff that would have gotten them politically destroyed in pre-Trump days.

And R voters have become completely comfortable with accepting pretty much anything that someone from their tribe does or says. True, for both parties, before Trump? Of course. Much worse now on the R side? Yes.

If it's now perfectly acceptable to be a clear-cut liar and/or raging hypocrite, why would that change because Trump dies? Sure, it might fade away somewhat due to tons of other factors, but I'm afraid that one doesn't see a clear and quick improvement.

Sorry, but I'm way past giving any kind of "pass" (or whatever one might call it) to independent voters who supposedly don't pay enough attention. That could certainly be true of the perceptions of the average president in the average term. But any American who has paid ANY attention whatsoever for the past 5+ years knows, at a minimum, that the current alternative to D leadership is a pathological liar who virtually ignored a pandemic and clearly tried to steal a presidential election (....or a party that fully embraces that person as their leader). It simply makes NO logical sense to conclude that that collection of facts could be outweighed by ANY current policy or governing performance metric.

I won't win any political science awards for this conclusion, but is it not possible that far too many moderates are SIMPLY failing to properly weigh the threats to them and their country? Because I think that's what's happening right now, plain and simple.

Well, in this case it should be good news that most people just vote their party's nominee anyway. Those 2/3 of Rs were going to vote R regardless if they believe the election was stolen or not. Of course the problem is this gaslighting may help ensure a strong turnout, but it certainly won't win over a material number of independents, especially not to vote for a stone cold loser like trump.

So much for the argument that TFG didn't want Pence to overturn the election results

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKY6L96XsAMjY_u?format=jpg&name=small

Fat hurts wrote:

Trump just said that Kamala Harris has the right to choose the next president. Looks like Biden has 2024 all locked up.

Politically, trump is the gift to Ds that keeps on giving. For the country, he's one of the worst POS that ever had influence.

Rogan pretty much admits he is full of merda and shouldn't be trusted. Because he's a comic out to entertain, not inform.

Just like Fox argues Tucker Carlson should not be trusted because he's simply the national enquirer on TV, not a journalist.

Now if the trumpists would start being able to tell the difference between good people and comics/hucksters/reality show hosts, the country will be in better shape.

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Joe Rogan, responding to Neil Young’s objections to his podcast and host Spotify, said his show has grown “out of control” and pledged to be more balanced and informed about controversial topics and guests.

In a late Sunday evening 10-minute Instagram video post, Mr. Rogan said, “If I pissed you off, I’m sorry,” referring to growing backlash against him and Spotify Technology SA stemming from the folk rocker’s accusations that they spread false information about Covid-19 vaccines through the popular podcast.

“It’s a strange responsibility to have this many viewers and listeners,” said Mr. Rogan. “It’s nothing that I’ve prepared for. I’m going to do my best to balance things out.”

Mr. Rogan said he will have more guests on the show that present different opinions from contrarian ones right after he hosts controversial guests. He thanked Spotify for their support and said he’s a huge Neil Young fan.

agip wrote:

Now if the trumpists would start being able to tell the difference between good people and comics/hucksters/reality show hosts, the country will be in better shape.

If the "news" media stopped lying, that would be a good start.

You Liberals just don't get it. Most of the people in my social circles are conservative and never even discuss Trump. He is yesterday's news. He served his purpose and is gone. We are conservative and hate what Biden et al. is doing to this country. He and his cronies are destroying this country. We want him gone. Kamala Harris is NEVER going to be the nominee for president. She can't even handle the job as VP which someone with an IQ of 80 could do. She is hopeless. We DO NOT want Trump back. We just want to rid the democracy of Biden and his cronies. Please quit mentioning Trump. He is gone!

nonequals wrote:

Question, because I don't follow such things closely: Were either of those picks seen AT THE TIME by many as being off-target?

I am too young to remember Ike. But when he left the WH, he said the biggest regret he had was that he appointed Warren and Brennan to the Supreme Court.

Bush 41 got a serious backlash for appointing Souter. That's why he had to find a hard core conservative for the next pick -- Thomas. If his first pick had been more conservative, he might have been able to pick a more moderate African American for the second pick. (That would have expanded the candidate pool drastically.) So he basically cornered himself by picking Souter.

The Liberals here - Agip, Ginamator and the rest - keep bringing up Trump and Trumpists because that is all you got. You got nothing else. You know the past year for Biden has been an unmitigated failure and will probably only get worse. Biden has sucked to high heaven. So focus the attention on someone who is not even here. Nice strategy but not going to work. Biden and/or Harris are never going to win 2024. They are jokes.

Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:

The Liberals here - Agip, Ginamator and the rest - keep bringing up Trump and Trumpists because that is all you got. You got nothing else. You know the past year for Biden has been an unmitigated failure and will probably only get worse. Biden has sucked to high heaven. So focus the attention on someone who is not even here. Nice strategy but not going to work. Biden and/or Harris are never going to win 2024. They are jokes.

Nice try - Trump is your man, the undisputed leader of your party and he's running again. He is still the most relevant R out there. You can't get rid of him and he will ensure President Biden is in the WH until 2028.

I've bookmarked this page to have a nice laugh at you later. Heck, I'm still running victory laps from your failed 2020 prediction. You can't get rid of your hero.

Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:

You Liberals just don't get it. Most of the people in my social circles are conservative and never even discuss Trump. He is yesterday's news. He served his purpose and is gone. We are conservative and hate what Biden et al. is doing to this country. He and his cronies are destroying this country. We want him gone. Kamala Harris is NEVER going to be the nominee for president. She can't even handle the job as VP which someone with an IQ of 80 could do. She is hopeless. We DO NOT want Trump back. We just want to rid the democracy of Biden and his cronies. Please quit mentioning Trump. He is gone!

LOLz, it doesn't matter if you don't want Trump back. That stone cold loser will be your party's nominee and you will watch him get humiliated again. Harris is only running as POTUS in your tiny empty head. Keep dreaming.

Sally grow up.

You are trying to get off on a technicality.

There are two political parties.

Biden's and Trump's.

That's it.

That;s your choice.

Trump or Biden. That's your choice.

Anyone vacillating on this knows what he is.

agip wrote:

Sally grow up.

You are trying to get off on a technicality.

There are two political parties.

Biden's and Trump's.

That's it.

That;s your choice.

Trump or Biden. That's your choice.

Anyone vacillating on this knows what he is.

Sally is a full blown trumper. What kind of R claims to hate their leader so much and calls them a vile idiot but goes ahead and votes for them twice? Only a tzee.