Odd. I heard the MSM cheering on Ukraine for doing this.
No, they were wrong. The oil depot was in Russia. How could Ukraine blow up and oil depot in Russia? You guys blew up your own depot. I suppose it's possible that US or UK special forces blew it up, but unlikely. The Russians blew it up is the most likely scenario, carmine9.
Given Russia's history of false flag events (alleged bombing of apartment buildings with their own people to justify the incursion into Chechnya in 1999, the separatist" movement in the Crimea, the de-nazification justification for the current military intervention, etc.), these could very well be deliberate false flag attacks to garner domestic support (which is lagging) in Russia. But the ammo depot fire and the oil facility explosion are easily justifiable military targets as the Russians aim to re-supply.
No, they were wrong. The oil depot was in Russia. How could Ukraine blow up and oil depot in Russia? You guys blew up your own depot. I suppose it's possible that US or UK special forces blew it up, but unlikely. The Russians blew it up is the most likely scenario, carmine9.
Given Russia's history of false flag events (alleged bombing of apartment buildings with their own people to justify the incursion into Chechnya in 1999, the separatist" movement in the Crimea, the de-nazification justification for the current military intervention, etc.), these could very well be deliberate false flag attacks to garner domestic support (which is lagging) in Russia. But the ammo depot fire and the oil facility explosion are easily justifiable military targets as the Russians aim to re-supply.
How does that make sense?
You shore up domestic support for a war by a false flag showing you ate losing it?
Given Russia's history of false flag events (alleged bombing of apartment buildings with their own people to justify the incursion into Chechnya in 1999, the separatist" movement in the Crimea, the de-nazification justification for the current military intervention, etc.), these could very well be deliberate false flag attacks to garner domestic support (which is lagging) in Russia. But the ammo depot fire and the oil facility explosion are easily justifiable military targets as the Russians aim to re-supply.
How does that make sense?
You shore up domestic support for a war by a false flag showing you ate losing it?
Hold on. Russia is now losing?
You still haven’t explain your theory of how it’s possible for Ukraine to blow up an oil depo 50 miles into Russia. That suspicious, carbang.
Intelligent people realize it's a little early to declare that Russia isn't achieving it's goals... but Vox... lol.
Depends on the goals, Chief. If the goal was to conquer Ukraine in five days, it wasn’t achieved. If the goal was to expose and embarrass its own military as full of idiots and cowards, it’s mission accomplished. For everything in between, you and your hero Putin have the benefit of after-the-fact goalpost moving, and can pretend whatever the final result is what was intended.
The Russian bears (Putin and his troops and his officers) are fat, out of shape, and poorly trained. They couldn't manage the march out of Ukraine back to mother Russia ... a death march to safety.
Intelligent people realize it's a little early to declare that Russia isn't achieving it's goals... but Vox... lol.
Depends on the goals, Chief. If the goal was to conquer Ukraine in five days, it wasn’t achieved. If the goal was to expose and embarrass its own military as full of idiots and cowards, it’s mission accomplished. For everything in between, you and your hero Putin have the benefit of after-the-fact goalpost moving, and can pretend whatever the final result is what was intended.
They stated their goals....
1. Ukraine must change its constitution to guarantee it won't join any "blocs", i.e. NATO + EU. 2. Must recognize Crimea as part of Russia. 3. Must recognize the eastern separatist regions as independent.
They can still achieve all 3 of those goals. Anyone who says otherwise is wishing out loud or delusional.
If adult wants to take Putin at his word and have that as an explanation for the war, then he really needs to sit down with this piece and read it very carefully. It's about Putin's speech on the eve of the invasion. Much of it is about how Ukraine and RU are the same nation, the same people, and that UKR can't be a western nation because it is part of mother Russia.
NATO is a part of the equation, but by far the bigger piece is the blood and soil argument that UKR is RU and therefore must be rules by the Kremlin.
Adult's blaming the US for the war is woefully simplistic and ignores the blood and soil nature of that part of the world.
Depends on the goals, Chief. If the goal was to conquer Ukraine in five days, it wasn’t achieved. If the goal was to expose and embarrass its own military as full of idiots and cowards, it’s mission accomplished. For everything in between, you and your hero Putin have the benefit of after-the-fact goalpost moving, and can pretend whatever the final result is what was intended.
They stated their goals....
1. Ukraine must change its constitution to guarantee it won't join any "blocs", i.e. NATO + EU. 2. Must recognize Crimea as part of Russia. 3. Must recognize the eastern separatist regions as independent.
They can still achieve all 3 of those goals. Anyone who says otherwise is wishing out loud or delusional.
so utterly naive.
Adult, putin's goal is to have the Kremlin once again rule all of UKR. that's the goal. From the start. To have a puppet government. Stop with pretending anything else.
If adult wants to take Putin at his word and have that as an explanation for the war, then he really needs to sit down with this piece and read it very carefully. It's about Putin's speech on the eve of the invasion. Much of it is about how Ukraine and RU are the same nation, the same people, and that UKR can't be a western nation because it is part of mother Russia.
NATO is a part of the equation, but by far the bigger piece is the blood and soil argument that UKR is RU and therefore must be rules by the Kremlin.
Adult's blaming the US for the war is woefully simplistic and ignores the blood and soil nature of that part of the world.
He had a green light to do whatever he wanted under Obama for 8 years. If he wanted Ukraine to be part of Russia he would have invaded the day after the Maidan Revolution.
He did not.
Your argument is "Putin is evil and wants to conquer the world" and you call other ideas simplistic???
ukrainians are finding abandoned upper-level command vehicles now...the collapse around Kiev was just that - a collapse and quick retreat. For upper-level command vehicles to be abandoned you have to have an army in disarray.
1. Ukraine must change its constitution to guarantee it won't join any "blocs", i.e. NATO + EU. 2. Must recognize Crimea as part of Russia. 3. Must recognize the eastern separatist regions as independent.
They can still achieve all 3 of those goals. Anyone who says otherwise is wishing out loud or delusional.
so utterly naive.
Adult, putin's goal is to have the Kremlin once again rule all of UKR. that's the goal. From the start. To have a puppet government. Stop with pretending anything else.
They had a puppet government before the US toppled it in 2014.
If Russia's sole goal was direct control of Ukraine they wouldn't have waited 8 years to invade. Use some common sense for the love of Christ...