Serious thread about election fraud

breit leit wrote:

When you approach the subject from a preconceived decision that the election couldn’t be legitimate and there had to be widespread fraud, you’ve already admitted that you can’t be convinced of anything. It is intellectual laziness at its worst.

Not at all. I looked at everything leading up to the election where Democrats did everything they could to make fraud easier. Then we see election night and all the events and timelines unfold in exactly the way they would if ballots are being manufactured and fed into the system to give Biden the win.

Immediately statistical analysis shows that very strange things were happening in the places where Biden was catching up. Then eye witness testimony appears that Rep watchers were ejected from hot spot locations. Other testimony about irregularities that amount to fraud is made by hundreds.

Then no Mueller style investigation is begun to get to the bottom of this, while those who raise questions are demonized and silenced.

The one thing you can not accuse me of is intellectual laziness!

You said yourself that you don’t believe it is even possible this election was legitimate, before you even look into any results or fraudulent claims. You have your mind up before looking at any evidence, throwing objectivity out the window. You are a poster child for intellectual laziness.

The expansion of no excuse mail in voting and other voting changes in PA was a bipartisan move, supported by Republicans, and passed by a Republican state legislature. So although your statement that "I looked at everything leading up to the election where Democrats did everything they could to make fraud easier" is dumb on its face, it's also wrong factually.

It wasn't just the Democrats that made changes in how voting took place, it was the Republicans as well.

Those changes did not make fraud easier, and there has been no more fraud in this past election than in any prior election.

Doesn't it mean something to you that nobody had any problem with expanded mail in voting until Trump lost?

DiscoGary wrote:

Not at all. I looked at everything leading up to the election where Democrats did everything they could to make fraud easier. Then we see election night and all the events and timelines unfold in exactly the way they would if ballots are being processed normally and fed into the system to give the person the most votes the win.

Fixed that for you!

The critical change that made it easier to conduct fraud was made after that legislation and was done outside the legislative process. It was done by Dems in violation of the constitution.

1. Allowing ballots to be collected after Nov 3rd to count.

2. Removing the need for a postmark.

This is exactly the kind of change that would allow for ballot stuffing in the days following the election. This is why the Texas case was so important.

The Pennsylvania Democratic Party sued their own – bringing a lawsuit against the Democratic Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Kathy Boockvar.

State Democrats sought a three-day extension for mail-in ballots, making valid all ballots postmarked by November 3 and received by November 6 at 5:00 p.m.

The case was submitted to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court on September 8. According to Ballotpedia.org, “five judges on the court were elected in partisan elections as Democrats, one judge was elected as a Republican, and one judge was appointed by a Democratic governor.”

On September 18 a decision was handed down by the state high court. The 4-3 decision overruled the requirement for mail-in ballots to be received by Election Day – allowing them to be received up to three full days later.

The decision trampled the bipartisan legislation the Pennsylvania General Assembly enacted just one year earlier according to their constitutional prerogative to enact statutes.

In addition to allowing for the mail ballot extension, the Keystone State’s high court nearly bastardized the need for a postmark, ruling that ballots “received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day.”

Pennsylvania Republicans countered by filing a writ of certiorari (request for the court to review) with the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS), seeking to restrain the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision.

On October 28, SCOTUS rejected the injunction – the court was gridlocked 4-4, which meant that the state supreme court ruling stood.

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/11/11/changes-to-pennsylvania-election-laws-followed-by-last-minute-maneuvers-may-lead-to-historic-mishaps/

I'll take the PA Supreme Court's opinion as to whether this is constitutional over yours. And it's unclear if those ballots were even counted; I thought the US SC said something about segregating them. In the end it didn't matter, since Biden's lead in PA was too big.

Where's the fraud, though? These ballots that came in after Election Day were cast in good faith, pursuant to the rules that existed at the time the voter cast the ballot. I'm not sure what you mean by 'ballot stuffing' but it sounds like someone could do just as easily do before Election Day as after Election Day.

And complaining about election changes made outside the legislative process is fine, as long as do it fairly. If you're going to complain about PA, then complain about TX as well. If you want to take Biden's PA votes away, then we're going to have to take Trump's TX votes away.

This is where everything comes together and points at potential massive fraud that can not be proven.

Dems threw out Rep election observers.

They removed mail-in ballots from their envelopes without Republicans witnessing the process which is the only way to confirm the ballot is legit.

After that, it is impossible to tell if the ballots are fraudulent. Laws were broken, the election might have been stolen, but is impossible to prove it. The only recourse is to reject ALL those ballots or rerun the election.

Everything the Dems did led to this set up, and they broke the law to finish the final phase. Yeah, there's plenty of reasons to think fraud occurred, and the only way to "prove" it is through statistical analysis.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/11/08/rudy_giuliani_450000_pennsylvania_mail-in-ballots_were_processed_while_republican_observers_were_illegally_kept_away.html#

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DiscoGary wrote:

The critical change that made it easier to conduct fraud was made after that legislation and was done outside the legislative process. It was done by Dems in violation of the constitution.

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"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here," Bibas wrote in his opinion.

Judge Bibas was appointed by Trump, by the way. And the two judges joining him in this opinion were appointed by Bush.

DiscoGary wrote:

This is where everything comes together and points at potential massive fraud that can not be proven.

Dems threw out Rep election observers.

They removed mail-in ballots from their envelopes without Republicans witnessing the process which is the only way to confirm the ballot is legit.

After that, it is impossible to tell if the ballots are fraudulent. Laws were broken, the election might have been stolen, but is impossible to prove it. The only recourse is to reject ALL those ballots or rerun the election.

Everything the Dems did led to this set up, and they broke the law to finish the final phase. Yeah, there's plenty of reasons to think fraud occurred, and the only way to "prove" it is through statistical analysis.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/11/08/rudy_giuliani_450000_pennsylvania_mail-in-ballots_were_processed_while_republican_observers_were_illegally_kept_away.html#

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Citing Rudy doesn't help your argument.

DiscoGary wrote:

This is where everything comes together and points at potential massive fraud that can not be proven.

Dems threw out Rep election observers.

They removed mail-in ballots from their envelopes without Republicans witnessing the process which is the only way to confirm the ballot is legit.

After that, it is impossible to tell if the ballots are fraudulent. Laws were broken, the election might have been stolen, but is impossible to prove it. The only recourse is to reject ALL those ballots or rerun the election.

Everything the Dems did led to this set up, and they broke the law to finish the final phase. Yeah, there's plenty of reasons to think fraud occurred, and the only way to "prove" it is through statistical analysis.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/11/08/rudy_giuliani_450000_pennsylvania_mail-in-ballots_were_processed_while_republican_observers_were_illegally_kept_away.html#

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Yeah, reject ALL (Why are we using all caps?) those ballots and give Trump four more years. What could go wrong?

Let's not forget that GOP challenges to altered voting procedures were, in many cases, MONTHS after those rules were enacted and only after they had lost the election. If you are ok with the rules on election night but then suddenly change your mind after the votes are tallied -- that is bad.

So the voting changes (no excuse mail in voting etc.) were enacted in PA in October, 2019. There was bipartisan agreement, both parties got some things they wanted. Passed by the Republican state legislature, signed by the Democratic governor. The law is called Act 77.

Act 77 has a provision that it could only be legally challenged on constitutional grounds within 180 days. The reason being that the state wanted certainty about its electoral rules before any further elections were held.

But it wasn't until after the 11/3/20 election that Republicans in PA first challenged Act 77, well after the 180 day limit in the law itself. Think about it, for 13 months no one had any problem with the constitutionality of the law; it was only after Trump lost that people started to whine about it.

This website here is PROOF election fraud was censored! :D

here is the evidence wrote:

https://hereistheevidence.com/election-2020/stats/

Well guys. I'd love to continue this discussion because compared to the sh!t storm raging everywhere else, this has been a respectful back and forth where we actually made progress and discovered something that few in the country know.

Unfortunately, the fascist purge of Trump supporters is growing so quickly now that I have to consider what will happen to my family if I continue to post here. Its THAT bad. Remember ... I can see the future and I predicted all this. I know where its headed.

I will continue my investigations and if it ever gets safe enough to post in public again then maybe I'll come back here and present what I found so that you guys can keep me honest!

Thanks for the great discussion.

Bye for now.

- Disco

Enjoy LARPing autocracy! We will miss you George :)

DiscoGary wrote:

Well guys. I'd love to continue this discussion because compared to the sh!t storm raging everywhere else, this has been a respectful back and forth where we actually made progress and discovered something that few in the country know.

Unfortunately, the fascist purge of Trump supporters is growing so quickly now that I have to consider what will happen to my family if I continue to post here. Its THAT bad. Remember ... I can see the future and I predicted all this. I know where its headed.

I will continue my investigations and if it ever gets safe enough to post in public again then maybe I'll come back here and present what I found so that you guys can keep me honest!

Thanks for the great discussion.

Bye for now.

- Disco

It always seemed that Disco Gary was swimming upstream. He must have finally drown.

DiscoGary wrote:

Well guys. I'd love to continue this discussion because compared to the sh!t storm raging everywhere else, this has been a respectful back and forth where we actually made progress and discovered something that few in the country know.

Unfortunately, the fascist purge of Trump supporters is growing so quickly now that I have to consider what will happen to my family if I continue to post here. Its THAT bad. Remember ... I can see the future and I predicted all this. I know where its headed.

I will continue my investigations and if it ever gets safe enough to post in public again then maybe I'll come back here and present what I found so that you guys can keep me honest!

Thanks for the great discussion.

Bye for now.

- Disco

Hate to disappoint you, but no one gives enough of a crap about what you think to input "Disco Gary" in a people finder website and track you down.

DiscoGary wrote:

Well guys. I'd love to continue this discussion because compared to the sh!t storm raging everywhere else, this has been a respectful back and forth where we actually made progress and discovered something that few in the country know.

Unfortunately, the fascist purge of Trump supporters is growing so quickly now that I have to consider what will happen to my family if I continue to post here. Its THAT bad. Remember ... I can see the future and I predicted all this. I know where its headed.

I will continue my investigations and if it ever gets safe enough to post in public again then maybe I'll come back here and present what I found so that you guys can keep me honest!

Thanks for the great discussion.

Bye for now.

- Disco

It's ok to just admit you were wrong.

Pretending to retreat to the bunker to avoid your own blunders... well, it's a lot like your idol Trump!