People have the right to be idiots. That's life. He speaks the truth in his mind. So be it.
No, he doesn't. He's a troll, and clearly very successful at it, considering all the attention some of you give him. That attention, of course, is what trolls live for.
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People have the right to be idiots. That's life. He speaks the truth in his mind. So be it.
Okay, but I don't think he speaks the truth in his mind. I think he is deliberately obfuscating the issue, and other issues. And he does so at the expense of the truth, and undermining it.
Don't you see? Pelosi's attacker is fed by and emboldened by this very thing. It is not genuine discourse It is political whitewashing and it has proven to be very harmful.
I like to hear people out and I like to hear people like you call out people who aren't making sense.
Witnessing the back and forth helps others see who is using reason and logic and who is not.
Okay, but I don't think he speaks the truth in his mind. I think he is deliberately obfuscating the issue, and other issues. And he does so at the expense of the truth, and undermining it.
Don't you see? Pelosi's attacker is fed by and emboldened by this very thing. It is not genuine discourse It is political whitewashing and it has proven to be very harmful.
I like to hear people out and I like to hear people like you call out people who aren't making sense.
Witnessing the back and forth helps others see who is using reason and logic and who is not.
Likewise, I appreciate this opportunity to reasonably examine what we have before us here.
That said, I think we need to fully grasp the point made in the linked NY Times article:
"The attorney, (for DePape) Adam Lipson, told reporters after the hearing that DePape's legal team would review a number of issues that might factor into his defense, including his "vulnerability" to "political misinformation" and his mental state."
To what extent are we facilitating hate crimes and violent extremism by allowing the likes of Uncle Carmine and others spread disinformation and confound issues here?
Honest question. And I fear that the answer points to the dire consequences like we have seen when this 82 y.o. gets his skull smashed in with a hammer.
Put bluntly, I don't think Carmine and his ilk are nearly as stupid as they make themselves out to be. I do think they are engaging in a very unethical and dangerous strategy.
I like to hear people out and I like to hear people like you call out people who aren't making sense.
Witnessing the back and forth helps others see who is using reason and logic and who is not.
Likewise, I appreciate this opportunity to reasonably examine what we have before us here.
That said, I think we need to fully grasp the point made in the linked NY Times article:
"The attorney, (for DePape) Adam Lipson, told reporters after the hearing that DePape's legal team would review a number of issues that might factor into his defense, including his "vulnerability" to "political misinformation" and his mental state."
To what extent are we facilitating hate crimes and violent extremism by allowing the likes of Uncle Carmine and others spread disinformation and confound issues here?
Honest question. And I fear that the answer points to the dire consequences like we have seen when this 82 y.o. gets his skull smashed in with a hammer.
Put bluntly, I don't think Carmine and his ilk are nearly as stupid as they make themselves out to be. I do think they are engaging in a very unethical and dangerous strategy.
I agree with your opinion especially as you said you would fight for his right for free speech even though you abhor what he is saying and what he is doing.
I am as sure as some of you that these guys are trolling or saying things they do not believe. I think they do believe what they say. I don't like to call it stupid. I feel it's more misguided. Carmine is no psy op or willful manipulator in my opinion. Carmine is just Carmine. If anything, he is easily manipulated in my eyes. I'm sure he thinks the same thing of us.
Likewise, I appreciate this opportunity to reasonably examine what we have before us here.
That said, I think we need to fully grasp the point made in the linked NY Times article:
"The attorney, (for DePape) Adam Lipson, told reporters after the hearing that DePape's legal team would review a number of issues that might factor into his defense, including his "vulnerability" to "political misinformation" and his mental state."
To what extent are we facilitating hate crimes and violent extremism by allowing the likes of Uncle Carmine and others spread disinformation and confound issues here?
Honest question. And I fear that the answer points to the dire consequences like we have seen when this 82 y.o. gets his skull smashed in with a hammer.
Put bluntly, I don't think Carmine and his ilk are nearly as stupid as they make themselves out to be. I do think they are engaging in a very unethical and dangerous strategy.
I think they do believe what they say. I don't like to call it stupid. I feel it's more misguided. Carmine is no psy op or willful manipulator in my opinion. Carmine is just Carmine. If anything, he is easily manipulated in my eyes. I'm sure he thinks the same thing of us.
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I think you are clearly wrong. Carmine is a blatant, repeated liar all over this board. Just look at this broken glass issue as but one example -- skim back 30 or so pages and you'll see at least half a dozen instances where he pretends (1) DePope's busted glass on the outside of the home is evidence of some conspiracy or cover-up, and (2) DePope's busted glass is only on the outside of the home. He was corrected on both of those obvious lies multiple times by multiple posters using videos showing that glass shatters in all directions, and photos showing that there is busted glass inside the Pelosi home. He ignores all that multiple times and repeats his lies a few pages later. If this thread continues, he'll go through that process again multiple times.
You aren't dealing with some misguided, confused fool speaking his own truth (that may actually describe DePope). Carmine is a compulsive, deliberate (and demented) liar.
I like to hear people out and I like to hear people like you call out people who aren't making sense.
Witnessing the back and forth helps others see who is using reason and logic and who is not.
Likewise, I appreciate this opportunity to reasonably examine what we have before us here.
That said, I think we need to fully grasp the point made in the linked NY Times article:
"The attorney, (for DePape) Adam Lipson, told reporters after the hearing that DePape's legal team would review a number of issues that might factor into his defense, including his "vulnerability" to "political misinformation" and his mental state."
To what extent are we facilitating hate crimes and violent extremism by allowing the likes of Uncle Carmine and others spread disinformation and confound issues here?
Honest question. And I fear that the answer points to the dire consequences like we have seen when this 82 y.o. gets his skull smashed in with a hammer.
Put bluntly, I don't think Carmine and his ilk are nearly as stupid as they make themselves out to be. I do think they are engaging in a very unethical and dangerous strategy.
I think they do believe what they say. I don't like to call it stupid. I feel it's more misguided. Carmine is no psy op or willful manipulator in my opinion. Carmine is just Carmine. If anything, he is easily manipulated in my eyes. I'm sure he thinks the same thing of us.
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I think you are clearly wrong. Carmine is a blatant, repeated liar all over this board. Just look at this broken glass issue as but one example -- skim back 30 or so pages and you'll see at least half a dozen instances where he pretends (1) DePope's busted glass on the outside of the home is evidence of some conspiracy or cover-up, and (2) DePope's busted glass is only on the outside of the home. He was corrected on both of those obvious lies multiple times by multiple posters using videos showing that glass shatters in all directions, and photos showing that there is busted glass inside the Pelosi home. He ignores all that multiple times and repeats his lies a few pages later. If this thread continues, he'll go through that process again multiple times.
You aren't dealing with some misguided, confused fool speaking his own truth (that may actually describe DePope). Carmine is a compulsive, deliberate (and demented) liar.
Wow. Thinking glass on the outside of the house rather than inside (as proven by photos) brings into question that the glass was broken from the outside is so crazy. You ever smash in a window? I have. Nearly all the glass ends up inside. Try it.
Or that the deranged intruder bent on hurting people allowed Pelosi to go into the bathroom does not seem weird. And that, when Pelosi called the cops from the bathroom the intruder witnessed this, he did nothing to stop Pelosi. Nothing questionable there.
Or that there was a 1/2 hour lapse between the call and the arrival of the cops and wondering what went on during that time. Only a madman would be curious about that.
Or why we are shown no video evidence not anything from the cops bodycams. Who would want to see that?
Or how Pelosi opened the door with one hand while in a life and death stuggle with a madman. And why he did not go to the cops but instead returned to the guy trying to hrm him with a hammer. Why would anyone question that.
The real question of course is why so many posters find these questions "dangerous" and cry for censorhip.
I think they do believe what they say. I don't like to call it stupid. I feel it's more misguided. Carmine is no psy op or willful manipulator in my opinion. Carmine is just Carmine. If anything, he is easily manipulated in my eyes. I'm sure he thinks the same thing of us.
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I think you are clearly wrong. Carmine is a blatant, repeated liar all over this board. Just look at this broken glass issue as but one example -- skim back 30 or so pages and you'll see at least half a dozen instances where he pretends (1) DePope's busted glass on the outside of the home is evidence of some conspiracy or cover-up, and (2) DePope's busted glass is only on the outside of the home. He was corrected on both of those obvious lies multiple times by multiple posters using videos showing that glass shatters in all directions, and photos showing that there is busted glass inside the Pelosi home. He ignores all that multiple times and repeats his lies a few pages later. If this thread continues, he'll go through that process again multiple times.
You aren't dealing with some misguided, confused fool speaking his own truth (that may actually describe DePope). Carmine is a compulsive, deliberate (and demented) liar.
Is it really strange that people believe what they want to believe and ignore evidence that doesn't fit their narrative or what they want to believe? Many people do this all the time.
In his mind, he needs video evidence that he will probably never get. His mind has been influenced by the right wing news he has read and decided that there is enough missing evidence in his mind to question the maintstream media narrative. The mainstream media has lied a lot so he is extremely skeptical of it.
I don't think he is crazy or a compulsive deliberate liar. Understanding him will go a long way in understanding people who think like him. It's too easy to just write him off instead of trying to understand why he thinks this way. I'm sort of fascinated. I wonder what kind of environment he was raised in and lives in currently.
I know I was raised in super liberal CA and went to a super liberal university so I had to deprogram myself from woke university politics to sane centrist politics.
Yeah, so I think he is more misguided and I'm sure he thinks the same of us.
I think you are clearly wrong. Carmine is a blatant, repeated liar all over this board. Just look at this broken glass issue as but one example -- skim back 30 or so pages and you'll see at least half a dozen instances where he pretends (1) DePope's busted glass on the outside of the home is evidence of some conspiracy or cover-up, and (2) DePope's busted glass is only on the outside of the home. He was corrected on both of those obvious lies multiple times by multiple posters using videos showing that glass shatters in all directions, and photos showing that there is busted glass inside the Pelosi home. He ignores all that multiple times and repeats his lies a few pages later. If this thread continues, he'll go through that process again multiple times.
You aren't dealing with some misguided, confused fool speaking his own truth (that may actually describe DePope). Carmine is a compulsive, deliberate (and demented) liar.
Is it really strange that people believe what they want to believe and ignore evidence that doesn't fit their narrative or what they want to believe? Many people do this all the time.
In his mind, he needs video evidence that he will probably never get. His mind has been influenced by the right wing news he has read and decided that there is enough missing evidence in his mind to question the maintstream media narrative. The mainstream media has lied a lot so he is extremely skeptical of it.
I don't think he is crazy or a compulsive deliberate liar. Understanding him will go a long way in understanding people who think like him. It's too easy to just write him off instead of trying to understand why he thinks this way. I'm sort of fascinated. I wonder what kind of environment he was raised in and lives in currently.
I know I was raised in super liberal CA and went to a super liberal university so I had to deprogram myself from woke university politics to sane centrist politics.
Yeah, so I think he is more misguided and I'm sure he thinks the same of us.
The level of self delusion you display is world class.
I notice you never address a single one of the question I raise other than to dismiss the belief that seeing is believing (i.e., video and bodycam evidence).
I agree we never will see it.
Why do you suppose that video evidence that you believe supports the official narrative will not be shown to us? One would think (you ought to try it) that the authorities could not wait to show us video evidence tha supports its story.
Are we really supposed to believe that an illegal alien who has a blm and rainbow flag in their yard is a far right conservative?
Mental illness is mental illness. It's odd to blame politics on it. There's nothing political to blame on Kanye being a nut. He's a bipolar who won't take his meds.
In the case of this guy, who cares what his politics are? He is a crazy dude. He would be susceptible to whatever crazy conspiracies are on youtube like kanye.
As soon as news of the Paul Pelosi attack came out, speculation about assailant David DePape ran wild through the Internet, with many liberals insisting that...
Yeah, so I think he is more misguided and I'm sure he thinks the same of us.
The level of self delusion you display is world class.
I notice you never address a single one of the question I raise other than to dismiss the belief that seeing is believing (i.e., video and bodycam evidence).
I agree we never will see it.
Why do you suppose that video evidence that you believe supports the official narrative will not be shown to us? One would think (you ought to try it) that the authorities could not wait to show us video evidence tha supports its story.
There were several videos people presented showing that glass shatters everywhere. You disagree with this and use your own evidence.
Seeing is believing, right? Well you ignore other peoples evidence they present. You say when you shatter glass it only goes in one direction. Okay, fair enough, but you still aren't going by seeing is believing or you would understand that those videos and the pic show glass on both sides. That should allow you to the possibility that you could be wrong here. But instead, you are adamant that you are correct.
Why do I think the cams will not be shown? The answer is, I don't know. But what I don't assume is that I know for sure the reasons why they don't. The body cam footage could be relevant, or it could be totally irrelevant. But I know for sure, they are not going to show it just to please Carmine and conspiracy theorists.
Carmine, some things we don't know for sure. We have to take a leap of faith. Yes the media lies. But not everything is a conspiracy and cover up.
Overall, dude was attacked and his skull cracked. An assault was committed. I don't think it matters if he knew the guy or did not (I don't believe he knew him). Either way, dude got brained whether he is a queer or not.
I also don't think it matters the politics of a crazy guy. Crazy right wing or left wing is still crazy and nothing to blame on politics.
I think you are clearly wrong. Carmine is a blatant, repeated liar all over this board. Just look at this broken glass issue as but one example -- skim back 30 or so pages and you'll see at least half a dozen instances where he pretends (1) DePope's busted glass on the outside of the home is evidence of some conspiracy or cover-up, and (2) DePope's busted glass is only on the outside of the home. He was corrected on both of those obvious lies multiple times by multiple posters using videos showing that glass shatters in all directions, and photos showing that there is busted glass inside the Pelosi home. He ignores all that multiple times and repeats his lies a few pages later. If this thread continues, he'll go through that process again multiple times.
You aren't dealing with some misguided, confused fool speaking his own truth (that may actually describe DePope). Carmine is a compulsive, deliberate (and demented) liar.
Is it really strange that people believe what they want to believe and ignore evidence that doesn't fit their narrative or what they want to believe? Many people do this all the time.
No, it's not strange that people do that. But he's not engaging in that filtering at the moment. He's just lying to suit his purposes.
In his mind, he needs video evidence that he will probably never get. His mind has been influenced by the right wing news he has read and decided that there is enough missing evidence in his mind to question the maintstream media narrative. The mainstream media has lied a lot so he is extremely skeptical of it.
First, he has no interest in the security video evidence that he claims he needs. Rather, it is the lack of public disclosure of the security video evidence that allows him to keep pretending there is a conspiracy and cover-up going on.
Second, I was not referring to that. I specifically directed you to the broken glass outside the home issue. And almost as if he was trying to prove my prediction, he lied about it again within the space of one page. He can't help himself (compulsive).
Jimmy Dore is an insufferable rightwing nut and the messiah of incels. Greenwald is generically encouraging skepticism of mainstream media, but isn’t specifically questioning something in particular about the Pelosi narrative, leave alone promoting the gay sex angle.