Serious thread about election fraud

just the facts, ma'am wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Sure. I explained that a few posts ago. The level of fraud they claimed would have to be big enough to show up on a statistical analysis. If Trump claims that Dems injected 300,000 votes into PA, then we should be able to see very strange thing happening compared to the normal election trends.

If those anomalies didn't happen or were very small, then I would say "we had the usual fraud of a 1,000 votes or so, but there's no evidence of the claimed massive fraud."

So...we're done here?

They've had 50+ court cases to adjudicate that stuff you want to move the goalposts to. So I guess let me clarify this statement:

I'm done here.

DiscoGary wrote:

I need to point out that if discussion of voter fraud had been completely shut down as is happening on our major communication companies, we never would have figured this out.

Kind of makes ya question the wisdom of shutting down the free speech of those you've been taught to hate doesn't it?

Also, every candidate vote total the world has been seeing on their TV screen for who knows how long has been distorted by this bad math! Unbelievable.

There was never anything to figure out, though. You misunderstood reported data, claimed it was clear evidence of fraud, and people had to waste time convinced you otherwise. We are right back where we started: no evidence.

Harambe wrote:

There was never anything to figure out, though. You misunderstood reported data, claimed it was clear evidence of fraud, and people had to waste time convinced you otherwise. We are right back where we started: no evidence.

It's exactly like the "secret suitcases of ballots" lie. "They're sneaking cases of ballots in!! What's that? They truncated the video to not show the part where this is standard procedure to lock up uncounted ballots to insure that they stay secure? Everyone did exactly what they were supposed to? Well..we never would have learned this without barrelling head first at 'stolen election' accusations. What a good use of everyone's time."

Initial requests of recounts and review of methods were okay. The failure to accept the findings that there was no fraud was very destructive. Making up new claims of fraud caused people to wrongly think trump was re-elected. It lead to the attack

You're not unintelligent. I'll give you that. You raise seemingly valid questions and you site data points that you say should make all of us question the legitimacy of the election. Unless you are simply copying and pasting this information (entirely possibly, this is the internet), it does require high levels of intelligence to communicate in the way that you are. I'll concede that I don't quite understand everything that you have posted. But I certainly understand what you are trying to do.

I'll keep my counter argument to something simply: approval ratings. Here is a recent article on Trump's approval rating from NEWSMAX (as right as you can get):

It says Rasmussen found his "rolling" approval rating was as high as 51%, but it settled on a final number of 48%, UP from 45% prior to Christmas.

The Nov 3 election results reflect Trump's approval rating. I'll even suggest if there is anything "funny" about the results, is that based on the last 4 years, and in particular, the last year, how in the hell did Trump keep the election this close?

Trump's numbers are going to go down. They have to with all this demonization.

I am not smarter than anyone else here. I am persistent and uncorruptible. In a world full lazy people corrupted by lies and hate, I appear to be a blazing beacon of intelligence and wisdom. Its an illusion. If some of the other people around here continue to be reasonable, then the illusion will fade.

I am working on the next one now. Why should I give up? Democrats persued Russian collusion for 3 years, and they never had any evidence to begin with. Our clock hasn't even started yet. The Disco Investigation officially begins on inauguration day.

Those of us who question election integrity are not responsible for violence. Those shutting down the discussion are.

"'We eviscerated the exact match system" Stacey Abrams

Basically she is admitting to election fraud

RuningManJumpSuit wrote:

It's unbelievable this thread is still up. There can be no serious thread about election fraud because election fraud does not exist in the US.

I'll use Rhode Island as an example.

Population: 1,059,361

Counties: 5

Voting Precincts: 419

I'm guessing on average it takes about 10 people to staff a polling location and usually a few cops working in rotation.

That's ~4100 people in Rhode Island who would have the chance of seeing voter fraud happening and blowing the whistle on it.

So either 4100 people are in on the scam and everyone is so trustworthy they can keep the secret under wraps or voting fraud on the massive scale the Trumplicans claim can't ever happen.

If you are so sure of voter fraud on such a wide scale please point me to the case where it was caught and prosecuted.

DiscoGary wrote:

I am not smarter than anyone else here. I am persistent and uncorruptible. In a world full lazy people corrupted by lies and hate, I appear to be a blazing beacon of intelligence and wisdom. Its an illusion. If some of the other people around here continue to be reasonable, then the illusion will fade.

You might be more persistent than others on here, but you are no more incorruptible than the other posters on here. You swallow any lies that go along with your predefined beliefs, as do others on the other side of the argument. The difference is that all of the evidence so far backs the other side of the argument, so unless your investigation comes up with some concrete evidence you will only appear smart and a "blazing beacon of intelligence and wisdom" to a rapidly diminishing number of conspiracy theorists.

King Tiger wrote:

https://youtu.be/0ds8TSyBRGA

"'We eviscerated the exact match system" Stacey Abrams

Basically she is admitting to election fraud

She's said it elsewhere too. I'm not sure what she's referring to, but she sounds pretty confident that this was a legitimate win. You need to show why this is "fraud".

"In addition, Abrams tells NPR that she and her team were able to get rid of the "exact match" policy before the 2020 election."

Rasmussen uses a negative correlation approach to polling. As the others sink to 30%, Rasmussen will climb to 60%

looot wrote:

King Tiger wrote:

https://youtu.be/0ds8TSyBRGA

"'We eviscerated the exact match system" Stacey Abrams

Basically she is admitting to election fraud

She's said it elsewhere too. I'm not sure what she's referring to, but she sounds pretty confident that this was a legitimate win. You need to show why this is "fraud".

"In addition, Abrams tells NPR that she and her team were able to get rid of the "exact match" policy before the 2020 election."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/black-women-continue-to-be-the-democratic-partys-most-powerful-weapon.html

Georgia had the strictest system for verifying voter registration forms matched prior public records. Down to things like misplaced hyphens and whether a middle name had been previously used or just the middle initial, or if the driver's license was requested before the voter registration or after (even if the records had errors...Republicans should be first to agree that the government can make logistical errors). This system was put in place by Secretary of State Brian Kemp just before he ran to become Governor Brian Kemp. The process to get these errors corrected and allow you to vote were very onerous and could only be approved by only one person you had to track down, etc. Also 80% of the flagged registrations were for people of color.

She won a court case saying that this amounted to voter suppression.

Apparently valid litigation won in court is fraud to this guy.

It's the same 'get as many people to vote as straightforwardly as possible' vs. 'stop as many people as possible from voting just in case someone is voting twice even though we haven't seen any measurable proof of this' argument that's been going on in this country since we started expanding the vote beyond just the white male land owners.

Well Georgia has this guy making claims that he can tell real ballots from phony ballots. He's claiming there are differences in Republican and Democrat ballots. He has credentials. This should be checked out. Not sure if this has been addressed yet.

Oh, and like everyone else in the the world he was able to get access to the Dominion machines using WiFi, but I don't know why he needed it because there is eye witness testimony of the Dominion machines being networked by cable in some locations ... something that's not supposed to happen. Was that investigated? Verified? Anyone questioned about why that happened and why? Anyone punished? Any bipartisan talk of making sure it never happens again. Nah.

https://pjmedia.com/election/victoria-taft/2020/12/30/tech-expert-shocks-ga-election-fraud-hearing-with-news-he-got-into-voting-system-with-wifi-n1293439

Oh, and there is a report that a shredding truck was near the ballot location in Georgia. Don't know yet if they are shredding ballots, but as a friend of mine said "In this current environment its sheer insanity to let a shredding truck get within a mile of any ballots".

This started happening a couple hours after the guy above said he could tell good ballots from bad ones. Ooooooo. That's bad optics!

I don't believe they shredded ballots, but its another thing we have to check now. Who's watching the ballots? Were they shredded? Are they being replaced? And yes, this will start another round of conspiracy theories, and it should.

Hey! I'm not the one who sent a shredding truck to the Georgia ballots as the country is melting down over questions of election fraud.

I would say that merely seeing a shredding truck near Georgia ballots is just about the level of evidence they had to start the Trump Russia Collusion investigation that went on for 3 years. Its actually more, but I can be generous.

It's time check yourself out or you will become 4800 Gary - don't end up like Wigins!

There are other threads to take over now!

Ah yes. Let's see what the OFFICIAL Republican controlled GA secretary of states office had to say about this expert testimony from...checks notes...an inventor who's invention was listed as one of the 25 worst of all time, who was then so embarrassed he changed his name and became a failed treasure hunter instead:

https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/fact_check_georgia_senate_masquerades_failed_treasure_hunter_as_hacker_and_election_security_expert

DG, I'm sure your search will continue to be as fruitful as his search for the Ark of the Covenant. Keep up the great work.

This the guy who made the case for impeachment. Democrats are in no position to question the credibility of people making accusations.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/adam-schiff-makes-up-his-own-transcript-of-call-between-trump-and-ukraine-president/

I just want to ask...

What’s the proof of election fraud? Besides “my friend told me this” or “I saw on Twitter that”

The guy claiming to have hacked the Dominion machines provided no proof he had done so (and he doesn't have credentials bestowing any credibility). And Georgia has already said that all ballots have been retained and secured. The shredders are shredding the envelopes, which aren't tied to the ballots and have no value as evidence. But you Trumpers want to turn ordinary recycling into suspicion of fraud.