The top 10 teams in each region are ranked based on their average speed ratings at the state championship course. Please note that these rankings are hypothetical, as speed ratings can vary across different regions. Therefore, it's not advisable to directly compare speed ratings between different regions. However, comparing teams within the same region may yield more meaningful insights.
So many teams (including the northeast and Rocky last year) won’t travel outside of their region all season yet want to argue who’s better than who across the country. We can’t know until they race each other. Lots of respect for teams who traveled out of region to compete this year, including: vandergrift, who I think deserves the top 10 ranking you gave them (Woodbridge), Belen (to southern showcase and great American, although these didn’t have many out of region teams), herriman (Woodbridge and Bob firman), Southlake (Woodbridge), Jesuit Nola (southern showcase and Nike XC Town) to name a few.
I do feel like CA teams in the past got the benefit of Great Oak constantly putting themselves out there as a benchmark for the rest of CA teams to compare to (At least in previous years). Then when GO gets 1st or 2nd in their division at State and the rest of the top 4 in CA place close to them, they get kind of lumped together strength wise.
Now that GO have settled down into just in state meets without their old coach, CA might need to start traveling out of state to secure those at larges.
So many teams (including the northeast and Rocky last year) won’t travel outside of their region all season yet want to argue who’s better than who across the country. We can’t know until they race each other. Lots of respect for teams who traveled out of region to compete this year, including: vandergrift, who I think deserves the top 10 ranking you gave them (Woodbridge), Belen (to southern showcase and great American, although these didn’t have many out of region teams), herriman (Woodbridge and Bob firman), Southlake (Woodbridge), Jesuit Nola (southern showcase and Nike XC Town) to name a few.
I do feel like CA teams in the past got the benefit of Great Oak constantly putting themselves out there as a benchmark for the rest of CA teams to compare to (At least in previous years). Then when GO gets 1st or 2nd in their division at State and the rest of the top 4 in CA place close to them, they get kind of lumped together strength wise.
Now that GO have settled down into just in state meets without their old coach, CA might need to start traveling out of state to secure those at larges.
Nah I don't think that will be the case. California has always had top 10 teams for both boys and girls. As long as other CA teams run the same in state meets as those ranked teams, they will always be in the hunt for at larges. There's a reason California is it's own region.
Rocky doesn't travel because they can't take their entire roster. They would rather have teams come to the course they train on at least a couple of times a week.
The Northwest course needs to change. No team should be able to train on the course that is the national qualifier week-in and week-out
it shouldn’t be on a flat and fast golf course. It should be somewhere challenging where no one is allowed to train
Rocky doesn't travel because they can't take their entire roster. They would rather have teams come to the course they train on at least a couple of times a week.
The Northwest course needs to change. No team should be able to train on the course that is the national qualifier week-in and week-out
it shouldn’t be on a flat and fast golf course. It should be somewhere challenging where no one is allowed to train
Not like it did them a lot of good. If anything, them finishing third on a course they know so well and not running any big out of the area meets is a huge negative on their resume. Why would they be competitive if they can’t get it done on a course they know better than anyone?
CBA 2011 - NXN - 1st - (15:50, 15:53, 15:55, 16:06, 16:14) = 15:59 average team time Arcadia 2011 - NXN - 4th - (15:50, 15:55, 16:05, 16:30, 16:40) = 16:12 average team time
Summary: CBA 2011 had a better team average than Arcadia 2011 by 13 seconds at nxn.
Arcadia 2011 - Woodward Park = 78:16 = #39 all-time at Woodward Park. If we assume Arcadia 2011 performance at NXN was the same as their performance at California State Championships, then CBA 2011's performance at Woodward Park would be 77:11 = #11 all-time California team. (This is a big "IF")
If this is true.... There have been 10 California teams that are better than CBA 2011. CBA 2023 beats a course record from CBA 2011 by 1 second. That does not mean they should be ranked above Herriman or American Fork.
I have seen Herriman run at Woodbridge, they are truly one of the best teams that I watched run in California. It was great to see them perform, so I wouldn't take them lightly. I believe they are better than Great Oak 2019 (as to how much better, I don't know). - #6 Great Oak 2019 76:26.
I am not worried. Herriman will win nxn. If not Herriman, than American Fork will win.
Regardless of whether cba would beat herriman or American fork, if you’re gonna post this at least do some research man. Cba 2011 averaged 16:04 at holmdel park. Cba averaged 15:51 the other day, going 1-5 in the race, arguably the best performance in NJ history. (2013 CBA had record of 15:52).
Once again, does not mean they will win nxn, but winning a state meet In absolutely dominant, record breaking fashion is pretty impressive.
Regardless of whether cba would beat herriman or American fork, if you’re gonna post this at least do some research man. Cba 2011 averaged 16:04 at holmdel park. Cba averaged 15:51 the other day, going 1-5 in the race, arguably the best performance in NJ history. (2013 CBA had record of 15:52).
Once again, does not mean they will win nxn, but winning a state meet In absolutely dominant, record breaking fashion is pretty impressive.
These are pretty simple statistics to look up.
Your right. I mixed up CBA 2011 with 2013. I'll do it over again. CBA 2013 is the one with the original record correct?
In 2013, CBA and Arcadia both participated in NXN (Nike Cross Nationals). NXN 2013 seems to have been one of the most competitive races, or it's possible that both CBA 2013 and Arcadia 2013 didn't perform at their best. CBA finished, on average, 15 seconds ahead of Arcadia. CBA 2013 secured the 2nd position, while Arcadia 2013 placed 9th. At the Woodward Park race in Arcadia 2013, they achieved a time of 77:26, ranking them #13 on the all-time list. CBA 2013, assuming they are 15 seconds faster than Arcadia 2013, would have completed the same course in 76:11, earning them the 5th spot on the all-time California Team list. They outperformed Arcadia 2010, who finished in 76:12, but fell behind Great Oak 2015, who recorded a time of 76:10. If CBA 2013 was indeed 15 seconds faster on average than Arcadia 2013, and considering that Arcadia 2013 struggled at NXN 2013, just like CBA 2013 did, then it's safe to say that CBA 2023 is a formidable team.
Arcadia 2013 fired their head XC coach around that time. There was tons of drama, don’t know if it effected performance at nxn.
Arcadia runners no longer wanted to run for their school the following track season. Arcadia director threw California top runner estavan de la Rosa into the seeded race race at Arcadia 3200 and he ran mad, etc
The upcoming clash between the Northeast and California at this year's NXN promises to be a captivating showdown. History may favor California, but the speed ratings tip the scales in favor of the Northeast. Representing the Northeast, we have the formidable trio of Brookline, Christian Brothers, and Westfield. On the Californian front, we'll see powerhouse teams like Great Oak, Dana Hills, Ventura, and San Clemente. It's the classic battle of tradition versus numbers. What's your take on this year's competition? Who do you think holds the upper hand? How would you rank these seven exceptional teams? The stage is set for an exciting race and a debate over regional supremacy!
The upcoming clash between the Northeast and California at this year's NXN promises to be a captivating showdown. History may favor California, but the speed ratings tip the scales in favor of the Northeast. Representing the Northeast, we have the formidable trio of Brookline, Christian Brothers, and Westfield. On the Californian front, we'll see powerhouse teams like Great Oak, Dana Hills, Ventura, and San Clemente. It's the classic battle of tradition versus numbers. What's your take on this year's competition? Who do you think holds the upper hand? How would you rank these seven exceptional teams? The stage is set for an exciting race and a debate over regional supremacy!
First to answer your question. As of today: 1 CBA 2 Dana Hills 3 Great Oak 4 Westfield 5 Brookline And that's probably it. Maybe one more California team in 6th. For the longer description of California: Anyone who seen my posts on the California thread knows I spend too much time on this stuff, and I am big California fan. That said, this has not turned out to be a banner year team wise due to injuries, although things look a little better on the individual level. Dana Hills is running really well right now, and is the obvious #1 team in California. In my mind, they are about #5-6 in the country. Great Oak is very good, but they lost their #1 Westin Brown for the season, who ran 14:09 at Woodbridge, placing right behind Herriman's #1 Steadman. You lose your #1 runner, it is hard to be top 10 national team, and I don't think they are anymore. If Brown was healthy, they would be with Dana Hills in the #5-7 range. Still they beat San Clemente at Mt Sac without Brown, and would have beaten San Clemente at Clovis without Brown as well. I don't think San Clemente is a national top 20 team, they are only 5 deep and every race it seems someone has an off race. Ventura lost their #3 to injury, and although he is working back, it looks unlikely he will be in good enough shape to be a solid top 5. Aside from Fast Horse, they have been a little disappointing in their progression so far. I don't think they are a top 20 team in the nation. Still, this was the pre-season Cal #1, and if they could get it together they could still run well enough at states to be one of the 2 autoQ's. Based on Clovis, Oakdale is the 3rd best team in California. But they are only 5 deep, and I read on this board one of their 5 is injured, and indeed missed their last meet. I don't know their situation, but their hold on #3 in California looks fragile. If they finish #3 overall at states they might get an at-large. Trabuco Hills would have been in the mix as well, but their #1 moved out of state and their #2 has been injured and is their #6 right now. Yet they are still the #6 team in California, which shows how good they are. Beckman and Mira Costa have been running very well lately, and could crack the California top 4 at states, which would give a shot at being an at large, but the rest of their seasons hasn't warranted an at-large pick. Right now, I see just Dana Hills and Great Oak coming out of California. If Oakdale's top 5 are fully healthy at states, or San Clemente or Ventura runs extremely well at states, I see one of those as a possible at-large, but only one total. Since California got 2 at-large bids last year, I am betting that works against them this year. I think it is a about 50-50 if California gets an at-large. I'd guess Dana Hills 5th at NXN and Great Oak 12th. The most likely California gets an at-large bid is if a team like Ventura runs great and gets an auto-bid, and then either Dana Hills and Great Oak gets an at-large.
Recently, westfield and san clemente have been performed very well. westfield ran a team average of 16:01 at nj course for #3 all-time. San Clemente ran a 3 mile average in the low 14:30s, one of the fastest 3 mile team averages ever run. Brookline won the postal 2 mile national event. Ventura is a major dark horse. Every teams above I have in my top 15. They are ranked in the following order: Christian Brothers, Dana Hills, San Clemente, Westfield, Great Oak, Ventura, Brookline.
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