Kincaid 12:58, Lomong 13:00, Centro 13:00 at Nike Track in Beaverton!

Smells fishy wrote:

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the track is short.

Lol just no

This is totally normal

Hardloper wrote:

juicy jerry wrote:

Kincaid ran 12:58.10 today and people have argued that Rupp could not have run faster than 12:58.90...

He got in tons of fast races and never went faster than 12:58.90

Rupp's 12:58 was on a breezy day at Hayward field. He could have probably gone 12:55 or faster in a perfectly set up race but that ship has sailed.

2 biggest mysteries in track:

How Rupp only has a 12:58 5000 pr?

and

Who is Woody Kincaid?

Jonathan Gault wrote:

I watched the race.

I was impressed by how many fans came out. I'd guess 300 or more, there were a lot of people near the finish area..

Wait, what? You are impressed that there were 300 fans to watch America's Olympic gold medallist? When he was running Nike's campus? Are you joking?

There are 12,000+ Nike employees in Beaverton.

The fact that you think 300 people is a lot shows you how minor league our sport is.

Come on guys. Ripped ran a time trial that Uncle Al timed his 5000 in 12:47

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

It’s also different to run in diamond league races that are won in 12:55 with sporadic pacing and hard kicks than it is to run in a small evening race designed to be as fast as possible, with even pacing for 4000+ meters, and nothing significant on the line if you win or get third. In this type of scenario Rupp is probably going way under 12:58. Not to take away from these three. Incredible times. But also the perfect set up. Not sure why this type of thing hasn’t been done much before. Same with Rupp’s indoor record attempts.

^^^^^

I've always said that. People don't realize the difference between a time trial in perfect conditions and a DL race.

I mean Ben True has run 13:02 at Stanford. The best he's ever run in a DL race is 13:05.54. Hassan Mead same thing. 13:02 at Stanford, 13:04 in DL.

It's rare to have perfect weather and perfect pacing and not have to jostle for position.

Rupp not ripped

JOSHL. wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

This is incredible. But it also shows how damn important good pacing is for as long as possible. Mo Ahmed paced for 4200m at nearly 13min pace. A lot of guys could run really fast with that kind of pacing at any distance.

Still, impressive. Especially from Centro.

MO Ahmed got them to 4600m at 11:58 and was running around cheering them last lap

As someone who has known Mospeed since HS. I really wish he went on to break his Canadian record. He was RIGHT there.

Ahmed didn’t pace the whole way. Amos Bartyllsmeyer went first for several years.

I agree Rojo. Us guys that have been around the sport for 35 plus years have seen it all. Time trialed races at perfect pacing is conducive to fast times. Still impressive but send all 3 to a Diamond league race that is won in 12:58 and the best they run is 13:10

MikeD wrote:

Ahmed didn’t pace the whole way. Amos Bartyllsmeyer went first for several years.

What?

reed wrote:

Bower Man wrote:

They are racing now because BTC just returned from, essentially, 3 consecutive months of altitude training. Living & doing long runs at 7000' and above (Park City), interval/repeat training at 4500' (BYU track). The full effects of that kind of stimulus on the body will still be present.

BTC has never spent that long at altitude, let alone racing so soon afterwards. Though only a sample size of 3, we'll see if the "live high - train low" model has had an effect on these guys.

Physiologists, take note. Tonight's race has the feel of a science experiment.

sorry man but this isn't that unusual. lots of people train at altitude, and the BTC folks probably all sleep in altitude tents as it is. I wouldn't expect anything superb. I'm sure that two of the three will dip under 13:10, and one will fade to 13:25.

Well you were certainly wrong, waaaaaaay wrong! Dip under 13:10? Nope, you must be a hobby jogger:)

Let's also not forget Ben True doesn't have Nike facilities and an elite training team. The guy pretty much runs by himself year round in the Northeast and has consistently run under the new Olympic standard for some time now.

matthew centrowitz post race September 10 2019 in Beaverton Oregon

https://www.runnerstribe.com/features/addict-preview-matthew-centrowitz-goes-fast-in-portland-5000-on-nike-campus-post-race-video-interview/

HOOWIE wrote:

Let's also not forget Ben True doesn't have Nike facilities and an elite training team. The guy pretty much runs by himself year round in the Northeast and has consistently run under the new Olympic standard for some time now.

True

SprintTriathlon wrote:

HOOWIE wrote:

Let's also not forget Ben True doesn't have Nike facilities and an elite training team. The guy pretty much runs by himself year round in the Northeast and has consistently run under the new Olympic standard for some time now.

True

Ben.

rojo wrote:

^^^^^

I've always said that. People don't realize the difference between a time trial in perfect conditions and a DL race.

I mean Ben True has run 13:02 at Stanford. The best he's ever run in a DL race is 13:05.54. Hassan Mead same thing. 13:02 at Stanford, 13:04 in DL.

It's rare to have perfect weather and perfect pacing and not have to jostle for position.

Everyone has always said that.

Only on LR could we have an 3 American runners go 12:58, 13:00, 13:00 and people would have issue with it.