Why I think Faith Kipyegon is using illegal PEDs

I do gain some satisfaction out of challenging liars and fools. I guess you will probably fall into the second category. So far.

Tsepo Mathibelle. 2:55 and last place at the 2012 Olympic marathon.

Kipyegon has just shown doping isn't a level playing field.

Your 10 year old-level insults are risible. No wonder you spend your days here; you have no friends.

Re: "Right. Damn shame message boards and social media weren't around to set the record straight when Ryun, Beamon, Moorcroft, et al. were doing their thing"

Fair question: Is it possible that Ryun's performance was aided by performance enhancing drugs? Yes, Ryun was outspoken about God and his faith and later became a politician.

Back in 1987, NYT published the unsubstantiated heresay that: "every member of the 1968 United States Olympic track team, ''except Jim Ryun'' had used steroids."

But If everyone on a team is using drugs except for one of the top runners, you have to wonder about that top runner as well. For a sophomore high school kid to start his season with a PR of 4:40 and then run a 3:53 after his senior year does seem pretty unbelievable.

i agree,and probably every semi finalist,and most quarter finalists as well,depending on the event.just to get an A qualifier,nearly every athlete there is,has to be on drugs.

He certainly sees me as a legitimate threat to his world view.

Which evidence exactly? Whose performance wouldn't drop when you lose your coach?

Has everyone seen by now that Aden was recently acquitted by the Spanish Criminal courts?

I wonder what can "coach or agent banned for PEDs mean" when apparently Aden was never charged, suspended, or banned by the IAAF/WA/AIU for PEDs (the AIU is still thinking about it) and has now been acquitted of Spanish criminal charges after a lengthy criminal investigation and prosecution?

Maybe we have to reconsider that Dibaba's record was actually clean, and it was just a matter of time before altitude based East Africans (Ethiopians, a Dutch-Ethiopian, and one Kenyan) started displacing some of the Chinese times obtained in two Chinese meetings, one in Beijing, and one in Shang-hai.

Has everyone seen by now the important distinction that is always missing from dumb-downed restatements of what "Renato said"?

As indicated by the quoted examples, we can see that Renato doesn't say things so broad like "EPO doesn't benefit Kenyan runners living at altitude". These dumbed-down over-simplifications often omit the most important parts -- a lengthy training while living at altitude.

What was quoted and posted and bolded were two quotes which added "born at altitude" and "training at altitude", and subsequently, with new data and experience, he expanded this statement to include non-Kenyan/Ethiopian runners not born at altitude, but training for long periods at altitude, like Moens and Wanders:

"EPO DOESN'T WORK WITH KENYANS AND ETHIOPIANS BORN, LIVING AND TRAINING IN HIGH ALTITUDE"

and then:

"EPO DOESN'T WORK WITH ATHLETES WITH BIG TALENT LIVING AND TRAINING IN ALTITUDE WITH CONTINUITY, no matter if are Kenyans, Ugandans, Ethiopians, Norwegians or from Switzerland."

Why are some posters nearly hysterical regarding Faith Kipyegon and 3:49.xx 1500m? Look at the list of top 1000m athletes all-time, male & female. Was Faith Kipyegon the first elite 1000m athlete to split 1000m in a 1500m race about 3.333% slower than 1000m personal best and slightly increase the pace over the final 500m? Why are some posters nearly losing their mind over 3:49.xx 1500m but had no thought regarding Faith K racing 2:29.xx 1000m about three years ago?

If doping is so easy why did the Russians resort to breaking into labs to switch test results. Seems way more risky, which it was.

Any way you look at it the statements are extremely stupid.

That's because you know nothing about human physiology. You probably don't even know that EPO is naturally produced in the kidneys. You probably also don't know that the release of EPO can be naturally increased by training at altitude. I'm sure you also didn't know that after a certain point, an increase in EPO will be detrimental to performance because of plasma volume decrease.

The way I look at it is that Renato has the experience in training top athletes at altitude that qualifies him to make these statements about how to create elite performance, while those who say things like "extremely stupid" with anonymous names like "so dope" simply lack the qualitification required.

Maybe, but were they beating world records of athletes that were heavily implicated in systematic doping? And it's not just that - it's how the records of those athletes are/were abnormal outliers across the spectrum of all women (in this instance) to ever compete?

Let's assume that Kipyegon is clean. Dibaba wasn't. Neither was Qu Yunxia. Kazankina wasn't, neither was Ivan. If we eliminate the Chinese national championship performances from Ma's athletes and the Eastern Bloc of the 80s, this is what our all time womens 1500m list looks like.

Faith Kipyegon 3.49.11

Sifan Hassan 3.51.95

Gudaf Tsegay 3.54.01

Laura Muir 3.54.50

Really? Is womens 1500m running in terms of pinnacle human performance that underdeveloped that we see gaps at the very top and jumps in performance in the world record akin to mens MD running in the 60's and 70's? 50-60 years ago?

When you look at it this way it is hard to believe, it just is.

Do you think all 4 of those runners are clean? (Kipyegon, Hassan, Tsegay, Muir)

Renato is an expert in his field, training.

and

is not an expert in PED and naïve. with the liars.

Renalto needs to hang out with Lance Armstrong and the like to know what EPO does for real.

but for sure there are clean africans that can run 1245 in the 5000m.

like a Rono talent on a good track, in a good race, off the bottle,

there are tons of those dudes.

however, as we seem, most of the afticans choose the ped route.

as the busts obviously show.

and they only nail a portion.

by not it's all too obvious.

It's a good thing you are the level of a 10 year old. No one has to explain them to you.

Your vanity never surprises. Threat - hardly. Like Sage Canaday, I see you as an empty bag of wind.