Deep South Runners: How do you keep 60-80m/w in the Summer

Yeah, I tried Weather Underground. Did you find that data in aggregate form already or aggregate it yourself from daily stats? What I want is a "daily climate report" for individual days than includes "highest dewpoint" for the day. The NWS does other daily stats for most decent-sized cities, but not dewpoint. So I want to be able to see an individual day in an individual city and see the dewpoint for that day.

'A Summer storm coming on isn't going to change the dewpoint much unless a dry front is following it."

Yeah, we get that alot more here from so-called dryline storms in Omaha than in Atlanta, that is true.

dingle wrote:

makes me laugh wrote:

There sure is a lot of misinformation on this thread.

Alright, I was averaging mn vs ne. Omaha and Mpls have equal precip.

The amount of rain a places gets isn't that related to how high the dewpoint is. We have plenty of days in Omaha with 70 degree dewpoints and not a storm in sight. Humidity is only one ingredient of rain storms. Anyone who has lived through countless days of a capped "omega flow" atmosphere in Georgia with high humidity and no chance of rain knows that.

Preston, you were the chosen one!

The heat is terrible. I'm about to relate one of the most determined weeks of training I've ever witnessed. Go here:

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBTR/2010/8/1/DailyHistory.html

and view every day from the first to the seventh.

Notice that from 8/1 to 8/7 the dewpoint was below 73 degrees for maybe 6 hours total. In that week one of my friends ran 140 miles. Here is a screenshot of his log and how he split it up.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2lt1s1f.png

At the time he had a 10k PR of 30:20. So, for the week he averaged 3 minutes slower than his 10k pace. He went on to have a very good fall. Running slow and splitting up your mileage is pretty much the only way to survive.

Obviously you haven't ever had to run in the NYC summer.

Thats crazy i run 2 times a day 2 times a week aug mid - june mid. I run 2 :30pm or 1 30pm and at night i run 11 - 11 30 pm there no way i am saying its the next day.1 hour here are there makes no big deal.Its always when you get up or if you stay up all night .When the sun is up or around that time.Its where you want to put it but a 11 somthing run is not the next day if your done after 12.

It is horrible, really. I mean, forget about running if you won't be finished by 8:30am. Our XC team would start practice in August at 3:30-yes, really- when it would regularly be high 90s or over 100 with high humidity under a glaring sun. Even at 9pm you'll still poor sweat. Gotta get up early or no run at all. I suppose you can get acclimated, though, just stay hydrated and run for effort not pace.

I grew up in the Northeast and recently (two years ago) moved to the southeast. One more thing I would add to the discussion is do not try to compare yourself (both in workouts and in warm races) to people that are at the same level as you but grew up in warm (and humid) conditions. I found that, even after I acclimated, people of the same ability as me would recover much faster after a long run, even though our perceived effort was similar. Also, I find that people that grew up in warm conditions are much less effected by the heat in races. There are some people that are able to produce PRs (at least at the 5k distance) in 70-75 degree dew points.

Brian wrote:

Yeah, I tried Weather Underground. Did you find that data in aggregate form already or aggregate it yourself from daily stats? What I want is a "daily climate report" for individual days than includes "highest dewpoint" for the day. The NWS does other daily stats for most decent-sized cities, but not dewpoint. So I want to be able to see an individual day in an individual city and see the dewpoint for that day.

Brian, you are a smart guy, you should be more resourceful than that. I'll walk you through it anyway.

1. cut a hole in a box

2. put your junk in that box

3. make her open the box

... ooops, wrong instructions....

Try this:

1. go to

2. enter zipcode or "Omaha"

3. scroll down left column to "History and Almanac"

4. default is today, click on "View" or type in date for past dates.

Note that there are 4 tabs at the top for 4 different report summaries.

1. Daily (default) one day summary of the day at top. Hour by hour data when you scroll down.

2. Weekly (Sun-Sat) Weekly summary ending on Saturday.

3. Monthly. Monthly summary uo to and including today's date.

4. Custom. Select your own data range. Maximum range is 1 year.

neither Omaha, nor Atlanta (sorry guys) are deep south!

We're talkin' Florida, Southern Mississippi, Lower Alabama, South of I 10 Louisiana/Tejas. Georgia's just not on the Deep South Radar - too far north, ie. too close to the Mason-Nixon Line

Well we've got both Omaha and Atlanta beat easily down here in Tulsa, OK. I didn't look at every year since 2000, but in 2010 alone we had 45 days with dewpoints of 75+ between June 8th and September 11th...that's almost 50% of all days. Our peak was 81 just like Omaha's.

malmo can probably post all the years for Tulsa (the official Airport site is what I used).

The kids' track practice is at 6 pm 4 nights a week...needless to say it is brutal since our normal mid summer high temperature is 95, and our dewpoints are typically very high due to the Gulf moisture streaming north over us (much the same reason Omaha has more higher dewpoint days than Atlanta).