Do liberals still seriously debate that god saved Trump from assassination?

Ace in the hole wrote:

Ofie wrote:

OK so you believe that a higher power decided to get involved regarding the bullet aimed at Trump but decided to look the other way regarding the bullet which fatally killed the attendee? Or what do you believe?

I think I've made it clear that I believe god saved Trump from assassination. That's what I started the thread with, and then questioned what liberals like yourself believe. Then you started talking yourself in circles, strangely admitting, on the one hand, that you know nothing and have no opinions, while also clairvoyantly telling me what I believe on the other. And you did all that while somehow proclaiming you're smarter than everyone else you respond to.

That's pretty much a summary of this discussion with you. Do you believe that's an accurate summary? Do you even know whether or not you believe it's an accurate summary?

Democrats Are Evil wrote:

Ace in the hole wrote:

I think I've made it clear that I believe god saved Trump from assassination. That's what I started the thread with, and then questioned what liberals like yourself believe. Then you started talking yourself in circles, strangely admitting, on the one hand, that you know nothing and have no opinions, while also clairvoyantly telling me what I believe on the other. And you did all that while somehow proclaiming you're smarter than everyone else you respond to.

That's pretty much a summary of this discussion with you. Do you believe that's an accurate summary? Do you even know whether or not you believe it's an accurate summary?

This is a false flag thread. Evidence: "god," lower case, thus almost certainly a Leftist atheist who can't even bring themselves to capitalize the word (which changes it from a fictional and/or historical god in a pagan pantheon, or demon/fallen angel, into the one Creator outside of time/space), or it was intentionally done as a tell to other Democrats that this Leftist trolling.

Democrats Are Evil wrote:

Ace in the hole wrote:

I think I've made it clear that I believe god saved Trump from assassination. That's what I started the thread with, and then questioned what liberals like yourself believe. Then you started talking yourself in circles, strangely admitting, on the one hand, that you know nothing and have no opinions, while also clairvoyantly telling me what I believe on the other. And you did all that while somehow proclaiming you're smarter than everyone else you respond to.

That's pretty much a summary of this discussion with you. Do you believe that's an accurate summary? Do you even know whether or not you believe it's an accurate summary?

This is a false flag thread. Evidence: "god," lower case, thus almost certainly a Leftist atheist who can't even bring themselves to capitalize the word (which changes it from a fictional and/or historical god in a pagan pantheon, or demon/fallen angel, into the one Creator outside of time/space), or it was intentionally done as a tell to other Democrats that this Leftist trolling.

Dexter St. John wrote:

Ace in the hole wrote:

The primary arguments from liberals, apart from name calling and incomprehensible twisted logic (see Oafie above), appear to be (1) god plays a zero sum game -- if he saved Trump, then he must have affirmatively killed the other guy, (2) god's motives and reasons can be fully understood, and (3) god has emotions like people do.

Arg (1) - This makes no sense. It is apparent from a review of ALL the facts that a divine miracle saved Trump. Trump even said he felt god save him. People in the actual crowd actually saw the miracle. Wouldn't Trump and the crowd know better than commentators on the internet as to what actually happened? Why would they lie about such a thing, knowing they would face endless insults form liberals? And what does ANY of that have to do with some other person who was shot? People get shot by people every day. God is not responsible for that. That's not even an issue here.

Arg (2) liberals throughout this thread (see Oafie above) presume and project what god must have been thinking. That is presumptuous and frankly ridiculous. You can't possible know what the creator of the universe is thinking. All you can do is witness His actions and draw reasonable conclusions as to what happened.

Arg (3) again, you can't project your own angry emotions onto god. You have no idea what god was thinking or how he felt when he saved Trump from being murdered at the hands of a misfit terrorist who had clear motives. God's reasons are not for you to try and consider. It's beyond you.

All your arguments can be also applied to my belief that an invisible elf on site was actually the one who saved Trump

Arg. 1.) no one saw the elf , thus proving he was invisible.

arg 2.) who knows why the elf saved Trump, they only reasonable conclusion is he likes to have sex with Trump’s neck vagina and needs him alive.

arg. 3.) by assuming god even thinks is a fail. The invisible elf who ACTUALLY saved Trump doesn’t think like humans. he just wants to eff Trump’s neck vag.

Democrats Are Evil wrote:

Ace in the hole wrote:

I think I've made it clear that I believe god saved Trump from assassination. That's what I started the thread with, and then questioned what liberals like yourself believe. Then you started talking yourself in circles, strangely admitting, on the one hand, that you know nothing and have no opinions, while also clairvoyantly telling me what I believe on the other. And you did all that while somehow proclaiming you're smarter than everyone else you respond to.

That's pretty much a summary of this discussion with you. Do you believe that's an accurate summary? Do you even know whether or not you believe it's an accurate summary?

This is a false flag thread. Evidence: "god," lower case, thus almost certainly a Leftist atheist who can't even bring themselves to capitalize the word (which changes it from a fictional and/or historical god in a pagan pantheon, or demon/fallen angel, into the one Creator outside of time/space), or it was intentionally done as a tell to other Democrats that this Leftist trolling.

Sub-9:00 guy wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

If we are going to operate under the assumption that God can use supernatural powers to help Trump escape the assassin's bullet, then you also need to entertain the possibility that Trump is the antichrist and possesses supernatural powers that would allow him to protect himself from an assassin's bullet. The antichrist is the false prophet, the "deceiver", an earthly "tyrant and trickster".

Trump has cheated death before. He had a severe case of COVID at a time when people in far better shape were dying on ventilators. His blood oxygen levels were reported to have dropped to 86%, which was generally knocking on death's door for COVID victims. But he survived.

Trump also has been able to evade the law in a way that defies explanation. The US Supreme Court took an unprecedented view on official immunity that makes it almost impossible to prosecute Trump for his attempts to subvert the 2020 election results. Judge Cannon ignored decades of legal precedent on the appointment of special counsel to dismiss the case against Trump over stuffing boxes of classified documents all over Mar a Lago.

Link:www.abc.net.au/religion/stephen-long-s...

I’m no fan of Trump’s, and his persona and shenanigans encourage me to vote for a guy like RFK, Jr., but do you really believe this nonsense? You come off as a butthurt lib. Or are you simply making the point that believing in God is as silly as believing Trump is the devil? I’m genuinely curious.

To me, it’s not so important to frame the debate as a creator versus an organically created universe. The question is, IF something exists outside the parameters of time, space, and matter as we understand them, is it really possible to explain everything away using physics and mathematics? To me, the answer is no, but that is a matter of faith in and in the realm of religion/philosophy.