Valbymania: Shoe Companies Expecting Great Things! Her base may be between 650k-800k

I'll admit that I was enamored by the "Bowerman Babes" aura of which Shelby was apart. It didn't become clear for me until that group's words and actions after she popped her positive. I would have never dreamed of putting Shalane in that category, but she was part of it as well.

Apparently only women and minorities have red flags as examples. Nico is running times never seen before at the NCAA level either, never mind Cam Meyers, Jakob, or any of the other white male prodigies who have run elite world class times at an NCAA age or younger. There's just a few people here praising one woman while denigrating another all on completely unsubstantiated and non-existing evidence. Please, lets tear down women some more! How did this thread descend from a discussion of Valby signing with a pro company for high six figures to this cesspool.

You must be new here. You may have missed how the vast majority of this board feels about Galen Rupp, Alberto Salazar, and pretty much anyone associated with the Nike Oregon Project or the Bowerman Track Club (Centrowitz, Jager, Kincaid, Fisher, etc.). We are equal opportunity suspicious or supportive of anyone. I will never say anything bad about Emma Coburn, Molly Huddle, or Elle St. Pierre, and I would really only question Athing Mu's dedication to the sport, but never her talent or integrity.

The simple fact is that Parker Valby is completely dominating the NCAA 5K/10K/cross country in a way that we have really never seen, and she's doing it on very little actual running training. That raises questions! I don't know if Nico Young is clean or not, but I don't really care at this point because he hasn't won squat until NCAA indoors this year, and it's frickin indoors, so no one cares. Jakob gets questioned about being clean in a new thread at least once a week. Valby is getting these questions/suspicions because she is very good. Almost too good to be believed. The BroJos welcome this open dialogue "questioning" what we see in this sport, because they are not blind to what goes on in it.

I, like many others, have tried to reason with you but you don’t accept it. You are quick to dismiss any attempt that people make to reason that Valby is clean because you are 1) closed minded, and 2) biased toward Tuohy. That is why I no longer take you seriously on this subject.

I disagree with you there.
Tuohy and Ramsden both have PRs that match Valby.

While Valby may be the first sub-15/sub-31 US collegiate athlete, I have no doubt Tuohy would have hit those times this season as well had she not gone pro (hamstring notwithstanding.)

It wouldn’t have been surprising to see both of them take their rivalry to sub-14:50.

Not an honest comparison. Valby is constantly injured and trains on an arc trainer, at sea level, with supposedly low mileage.

Does Nico Young train low mileage on an arc trainer at sea level?

Or, has he been training at high altitude for 4 years, running high mileage, under the best coach in the US, after being the number 1 high school recruit?

Don't rush, I'll wait.

I would personally looove to see the reaction to any male runner who 'cross trains' beating all the other men in the NCAA by over a minute in the 10k. This place would be on fire!

And a lower workload academically

Why bring academics into it? Valby majored in Sports Management, not Physics. Young did Exercise Science.

Young is barely faster than Habtom Samuel. Can you imagine the scrutiny if either of them was running for Florida training only 30 miles a week on an arc trainer? No?

It is not rocket science why people are skeptical.

One more Q. This would just be base, not overall?

Except you overlook the little details… such as, on top of her 30-40miles per week of running, she does an additional ~55miles/week aerobic equivalent on the arc trainer, according to published sources.

Y'all misunderstand wut Parker's doin. Those 30 miles a week are the same 2 hard workouts and a long run that everyone else does. The arc trainer only subs out the recovery and easy run days.

I would guess soothers will soon try this. So far though, most only use the machines as a sub for running only when injured.

This is also how she came back from injury quickly. While recovering she continued with elliptical, so she had not lost much cardiovascular fitness when she could run again.

I tend to agree. Someone posted a while back they thought it was something like 25 mpw equivilent and I disagreed. At the time I posted I thought she was training harder than anyone else in college, given how the arc trainer sessions were described.

What would the brojos say if Habtom Samuel, Nico young or Graham Blanks were beating the rest if the NCAA by a full minute on similar training? There would be questions.

The best women are more dominant than the best men at all levels. Probably due to biomechanics. Look at the amount of sub 30:40 vs sub 27

British athlete Georgia Bell cycles 100 miles per week and only runs 25-30 miles. She finished fourth in the women’s 1500m final at the 2024 World Indoor Championships.

But as she’s not Parker Valby, she doesn’t suffer the same scrutiny.

athleticsweekly.com

How they train: Georgia Bell - AW

We catch up with the World Indoors fourth placer and duathlete about her impressive return to athletics To the home crowd, Georgia Bell had achieved a remarkable feat. From relative obscurity – or so it would seem to the majo...

Link:athleticsweekly.com/performance/traini...

Georgia Bell is also 30, runs a much shorter event where the mileage may not matter as much, is not American, and is likely not going to even make the British team for the Olympics, so most people on here don’t care. Do you not realize how badly us Americans would want a pretty, blonde, All-American girl with a great personality like Parker Valby to be successful? We’re just very skeptical of the level of dominance when combined with her training volume. She is going to win NCAAs in both the 5K and 10K this week and is going to sign a big endorsement deal. Is she truly a clean runner that can step up to the World stage? I would love for her to prove me wrong.

Completely dominating NCAA 5k/10k includes Lisa Uhl and Amy Skieriez… how they turn out?

It doesn’t matter if you don’t care, but it matters that we have independent evidence for high performance in distance running on low mileage supported by determined cross-training. Keep in mind that you are making accusations against Valby without evidence.

Bell has an almost identical 3000m PB to Valby and recently ran 15:35 for 5000m, but I accept there is a disparity in their 10000m ability.

This was the key quote from the article, reminiscent of Valby’s situation in college.

I think Bell will make the Olympic team at trials by the way, as her only competitor for the third spot behind Muir and Snowden is Revee Walcott-Nolan, making Bell an even money prospect in my book.

Not bad for 25-30 miles per week of running.

Bell is a middle distance runner who runs the 800m/1500m, not the 5k/10k. Her PR in the 5k is 15:35. You are not making the point you think you are.