Breaking: Issam Asinga SUSPENDED after positive doping test

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11 months ago 08/12/2023 2:48am EDT

re: dullard

dullard wrote:
This is why I ignore those who say "but they were already fast in high school" to defend super sus athletes especially in the US where there's a lot to be gained from being fast in high school in order to impress college recruiters.

I laugh at people who overreact to outliers and throw the blanket. There's been a smorgasbord of that today.

Every year there are going to be some drug busts. It's hilarious ignorance to take that reality and dismiss the overpowering advantage owned by prodigies, in track and field and every other facet of life. It's the same reason Harvard has produced the most presidents with Yale second.

Today was priceless. I miss my Las Vegas years, where everybody shrugged. Big picture dominates. If all you know is the most recent item on the plate you have no chance.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 3:57am EDT

re: Tommy2Nuttz

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
Cant believe kids this young are trying such dangerous drugs these days:
Asinga was provisionally suspended for the use or presence of GW1516,
an experimental drug which can modify the body’s metabolism but has
been considered too dangerous for human use.
GW1516 was developed to help build endurance and burn fat but was found to
cause cancer during tests on rodents. Anti-doping organizations have
warned athletes not to use it on safety grounds.

Can someone please explain why his talking about the amount that he popped for ? I thought these drugs have small half lives like 1 day ? Is this long term metabolite ??

11 months ago 08/12/2023 4:05am EDT

re: Confused212

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Detection of PPARδ agonists GW1516 and GW0742 and their metabolites in human urine - PubMed

Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-δ (PPARδ) agonists are the drug candidates with potential performance-enhancing properties, and therefore their illegitimate use in sports should be controlled. To simulate the metab...

Link:pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22977012/

found something that explains it, I thought it was peptide which would be harder to test for since they occur naturally in the body, but some form of agonist which increases fat burning so he can’t use that route because it’s not a naturally occurring substance in the body

11 months ago 08/12/2023 4:31am EDT

re: Confused212

The most disturbing thing to me about all this is his parents and coaches had to know. I just can't believe otherwise. There's no way you're that close to someone that young and don't notice wild physical changes and improvements out of nowhere. An 18 or 19 year old doesn't just have the money and the knowledge to take PEDs and train like that. Everyone around him is probably culpable in some way.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 7:19am EDT

re: 007run

007run wrote:
The most disturbing thing to me about all this is his parents and coaches had to know. I just can't believe otherwise. There's no way you're that close to someone that young and don't notice wild physical changes and improvements out of nowhere. An 18 or 19 year old doesn't just have the money and the knowledge to take PEDs and train like that. Everyone around him is probably culpable in some way.

That is the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 7:23am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
same as ever wrote:
Right, but bombshell? A doping top sprinter training in America, and two more doping Kenyans? Looks like tradition to me.
I think Asinga being a literal high-schooler until a couple months ago caught doping in the US is pretty unique. That part is the bombshell because he's not even pro yet.

Kids were taking steroids in HS decades ago

11 months ago 08/12/2023 7:26am EDT

re: Confused212

Confused212 wrote:
Can someone please explain why his talking about the amount that he popped for ? I thought these drugs have small half lives like 1 day ? Is this long term metabolite ??

Part of the propaganda - it was only a trace amount, lol. Yes, a small mistake in either judging the glowing time wrong, or overdosing because of a weighing error. Both probably not his fault, but his team's pharmacist or doctor.

Shelburrito tried the same "trace amount" excuse - along with the legendary beef burrito that included testicles of a three year old wild boar.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 8:47am EDT

re: icrlp05

icrlp05 wrote:
athletisme wrote:
Pipe down, lad. Didn't Keely win an Olympic medal and was a national star at 19? Without the pandemic she would have competed in Tokyo at 18. Isn't that HS age in the UK?
"If a kid does something that would be noteworthy in professional ranks, fair enough."
did you even read my post because you didn't understand it

But was anyone really talking about this guy before he did stuff that was noteworthy in the professional ranks? LR was not but it is not sprint focused.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 9:00am EDT

re: JumpsDoctor

JumpsDoctor wrote:
Jonathan Commentor wrote:
Does anyone serously still believe Erriyon Knighton is clean? Humans cant run this fast at that.
Yes

to be this naïve again.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 9:27am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

Awwww...so sorry that this is happening to Issam...he is such a sweet kid...humble...funny...extrovert...knows no strangers type if persanilty...very approachable...confident?...absolutely...but he still just a great person to be around.

When he came on the scene his fresman or sophomore year at Principia, here in Missouri; EVERYONE knew he was destined for the next level. He won the sprint triple crown at state. In 2021, he went 11.4 to 10.6 (Missouri has no indoor); 22.3 to 21.6; and 51.7 to 48.1. So yeah, EVERYONE in Missouri knew he was gonna be a big deal. In 2022, he long jumped 5.42, but it was the Great Southwest Classic performane that let us know that Missouri was too small for him. That summer, he ran 10.44 and 20.76. We all were happy for him for transferring.

He came back to Sectionals here in St Louis to hang out with his teammates and chop it up with the other high school kids...he said he was still taking in his win over Noah..just an overall good kid...as you read...you can see that I'm team Issam..lol...my male athletes were like: Coach, dude is so chill, not arrogant or anything. Yeah, they admire him tremendously.

Anyways, I hope he is exonerated of any wrong doing...and is able to continue on his quest for greatness...

11 months ago 08/12/2023 9:29am EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

Anyways, I hope he is exonerated of any wrong doing...and is able to continue on his quest for greatness...

11 months ago 08/12/2023 10:17am EDT

re: GWTest?

GWTest? wrote:
I know its unlikely, but in light of the Peter Bol situation, I can't help but wonder if there is a potential flaw with the test for GW1516. Nijel Amos has maintained his innocence, and has even announced plans to sell his Olympic medal to fight his ban. As for Asinga, none of this makes any sense. He is not relying on running for a living, there is really no rush for him to reach an elite level as he was planning on running in college. A 10.2 runner can go D1 in college, no high schooler needs to go and run, not only sub 10, but sub 9.9 to impress colleges. I honestly don't get it.
Also, Asinga said that his B sample will be tested before worlds; is it possible this test comes back negative? If so, what does that even mean? Would he be able to run at worlds in that scenario?

Yes.

A negative b test is a negative test. It's not common, however, for the b test to differ from the a test unless something goes very wrong in the handling of the samples.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 10:24am EDT

re: Coachmm

Coachmm wrote:
EVERYONE knew he was destined for the next level.

That next level being ignominy.

I am starting to turn on Asinga. 18 is not a young kid. People are fighting and dying for their country by that age; they know the difference between right and wrong, they know when to be sus, they know to ask questions, and some REALLY know the score.

Yeah his supplier/puppetmaster should go down, but Asinga is not without blame. He knew something was up, and probably knew he would play the kid card. He should receive the same sanction as would any other athlete, if found guilty—unless he bargains and spills the beans on everyone.

The latter is what he should do, but make no mistake, he may be dealing with shady types, and might now have some serious decisions to make. This is no joke, which is why it needs to be thoroughly investigated.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 11:09am EDT

re: the deranged fans

the deranged fans wrote:
juice is rampant in schoil wrote:
I'm not necessarily proud of this, but to be completely honest, this is the first thing to pop into my mind, too. You know why high schoolers don't fail drug tests? Because they don't take drug tests. On one thread long ago, I posted to this effect: "If Brosnan wants me to be impressed, I need to see 2 things. 1, field a girl's team. Even better, one with similar results to the boy's team. 2, let's see one of them pass a drug test. All of them passing one would be even better."
Not trying to single Brosnan and NP out. Just pointing out that PEDs are used without consequence in high school. This is so well-known in the case of football that documentaries exist about it. We just don't read it on the LRC front page because they aren't failing tests. It's easy not to if haven't ever taken one. By the way, has any NP alumnus passed a test yet? Some graduated years ago. I guarantee HS XC isn't a doped as football, basketball, and baseball, but if you're going to convince me these guys getting famous for it are clean, I'm going to have to see some test results.
Exactly. I have no reason to suspect there's a massive doping conspiracy in HS XC, but these performances are very good and I've always been suspicious about massive outliers.
Newbury Park is also in an upper-middle class area - are you seriously telling me that at least one doesn't know (or, even better, is related to) a doctor who can prescribe certain things for recovery and/or training?
There's also the financial aspect: you can get money at colleges and/or get into colleges you'dnot be able to otherwise. Would you be shocked if a good talent who runs (or would run) in the low-mid 15s on a normal 5k xc course turns to pharmaceutical means to get him into the 14 minute range and offers from whatever college he wants?
And again, the best runners almost always come from suburban areas - i.e. people would know multiple doctors, and I’m sure there’s at least one doctor who wouldn’t care about ethics in sport. People got fake ADD diagnoses for extra time on standardized tests - what about a fake diagnosis to get PEDs?

Bumping this to hear others' thoughts

11 months ago 08/12/2023 11:50am EDT

re: Sprintgeezer

Sprintgeezer wrote:
That next level being ignominy.
I am starting to turn on Asinga. 18 is not a young kid. People are fighting and dying for their country by that age; they know the difference between right and wrong, they know when to be sus, they know to ask questions, and some REALLY know the score.
Yeah his supplier/puppetmaster should go down, but Asinga is not without blame. He knew something was up, and probably knew he would play the kid card. He should receive the same sanction as would any other athlete, if found guilty—unless he bargains and spills the beans on everyone.
The latter is what he should do, but make no mistake, he may be dealing with shady types, and might now have some serious decisions to make. This is no joke, which is why it needs to be thoroughly investigated.

I’d like to think if he can name names and take down a coach/supplier and admit fault they take him down to 2 years. The kids 18 and at 20 would have plenty of promise. There’s room for a second chance here.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 1:18pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

If we supposedly have all these state-sponsored doping programs and corrupt scientists all over the world, what's to say that independent unpublished research hasn't already identified a substance that counteracts the negative aspects of GW1516 or hasn't simply identified a "safe" dosage? The mouse study on this substance is terrifying, but I can't help but wonder, with all these crazy drugs, isn't it likely that the published research is an Olympic Cycle behind the actual drug regiments used by elites? There's gotta be some evil group of dudes with funny names out there who have "figured it out" with this drug and many others and they're sitting around playing a drinking game where they take a shot of vodka each time they read an outdated doping take on this forum.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 1:31pm EDT

re: Coachmm

Is it at all possible that his B sample is negative? Just curious, seems like the guy is fkd

11 months ago 08/12/2023 1:40pm EDT

re: whataworld

whataworld wrote:
so true wrote:
+1
Which is why the AIU did it, here on American soil, with USADA asleep like in the cases of Coleman + Houlihan + McLean.
Who is McLean?

Genuine question on who this person is referencing or if it is a typo.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 1:43pm EDT

re: justWonderinf

Yes it is possible.

On the substance, read this:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A metabolomic study of the PPARδ agonist GW501516 for enhancing running endurance in Kunming mice

Exercise can increase peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-δ (PPARδ) expression in skeletal muscle. PPARδ regulates muscle metabolism and reprograms muscle fibre types to enhance running endurance. This study utilized m...

Link:www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4...

Inositol, branched-chain aminos, etc…. Sounds like a loser’s stack😂

Part of China’s efforts to create super-infantrymen? The Nazis used speed and other stuff. What’s old may be new again.

What a joke.

11 months ago 08/12/2023 2:13pm EDT

re: Dudewhat?

Dudewhat? wrote:
Very concerning a highschool kid is using drugs. We are turning all these young kids into mini-pros including the bad side of it. Need a reset button and prohibit sponsors, agents, and others from meddling with youngsters.

While I agree with you this has been going on for a long time. It is not uncommon for some "trainers" in private gyms to be pushing this crap selling it to teenagers with all the glory promises.

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