i think Jacob will win comfortably
It's on: Jakob vs Yared vs Cheruiyot vs Katir vs Kerr vs Hoare in Oslo 1500!
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yep, a competitive warrior. He says bring it on.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Nguse runs 3:47 indoor mile : he is going to smoke Jakob and run 3:26 outdoors.
Josh Kerr solo runs 3:48 indoors : he hasn't shown his Olympic form.
Nearly a second and a half difference in time with one guy running a time trial on the fastest indoor track in the world while the other ran a race on a standard track and smoked a solid field with a sub-26 last lap.
I think you're comparing two outstanding performances and trying to discredit one of them for some reason. Kerr had the benefit of BU track but had to do it completely alone! Nuguse wasn't on BU track but had the (significant) benefit of being seamlessly rabbited by world class athletes Hoare and Gourley for the first 1200m! Both runs were outstanding. You seem to be doing mental gymnastics to discredit Kerr, i.e. the one with the significantly faster PB and the Olympic medal. Let's just enjoy this brilliant era in 1500m running without crapping on proven talents.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Nguse runs 3:47 indoor mile : he is going to smoke Jakob and run 3:26 outdoors.
Josh Kerr solo runs 3:48 indoors : he hasn't shown his Olympic form.
Nearly a second and a half difference in time with one guy running a time trial on the fastest indoor track in the world while the other ran a race on a standard track and smoked a solid field with a sub-26 last lap. Also I never said any of that stuff of course. Kerr ran 3:29 flat and has had no race since as good. 3:48 high at BU is not it. Nuguse just got 2nd at his first ever DL what is Josh’s top DL finish since 2022?
He ran 3:30 at Eugene last year. You may as well say Jakob hasn't shown his Olympic form since because he hasn't ran 3:28 again.
Josh Kerr's 'time trial' was indeed that, with virtually no spectators as well as no competion to speak of. Would you be 100% confident Nuguse could run 3:47 indoors solo with the only spectators being other largely disinterested athletes warming up at the side?
I was just drawing attention to the hype that surrounds Nuguse here. Having said that, you did join in with that, ranking him above Jakob after that indoor mile :
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After Jakob's 2 mile it seems to me he is on a new, higher, level.
WR? Would not bet yes on a 50/50 bet but would not say no way.
Best guess...Jakob in 3:27:xx
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Jakob 3:27.7
Katir 3:28.0
Tim 3:28.2
Nuguse 3:29.0
Kipsang 3:29.3
Hoare 3:29.6
Kerr 3:30.1
Gourley 3:30.4
Habz 3:30.7
Mario 3:31.2
Nordas 3:31.7
Top 2 check- I was a bit fast on Jakob, quicj on Katir. Tim tactically a bit off, so swapped with Nuguse though perfect time prediction for Yared. Pretty close on Gourley, Hoare and Kerr. Habz, Nordas and Mario ran awesome. Kipsang doubled last week and needs to run a little more intelligently in these races. Kiprugut did a good job I think ha?
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Kobbs Hessler wrote:
Jakob went through 6 laps in Paris at 6 flat and finished in 58-56. The rest of the Oslo field knows they can't do that. If Jakob really is going balls to the wall on Thursday, he'll go through 800m in 1:52 and finish in 3:27 low, maybe 3:26 high. I called 7:56 for his two mile, but I suspect he'll fall just outside 3:26 flat. But that 7:54 was so amazing, he could blow our minds again. Thursday weather forecast at race time low 70s and clear.
Kessler here thinks he nailed it but he was off by roughly one full second. Own it Kessler!
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Wise Old Man wrote:
Hodoee wrote:
I will tell you this Kessler. Jakob is more likely to end up with a best time of 3:28.32 than to ever break 3:26. Now I am NOT saying he won’t run faster than 3:28.32, I am saying he is more likely to end up with that being his best than to break 3:26.
Jakob himself says that 3:26 is his “great white whale,” and he acknowledges he may never manage to go under 3:26, and that right now he has NO chance. I don’t think he views the 3000 or 5000 records with nearly the same reverence, and he seems more confident those records are doable for him.
You guys don't think he is too tall/big for the 5k record?
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westsouthrunner wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
Jakob himself says that 3:26 is his “great white whale,” and he acknowledges he may never manage to go under 3:26, and that right now he has NO chance. I don’t think he views the 3000 or 5000 records with nearly the same reverence, and he seems more confident those records are doable for him.
You guys don't think he is too tall/big for the 5k record?
A little bit of a liability, but 7:54 is awfully persuasive. He’s like Tergat, but better.
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LarsL11 wrote:
wejo wrote:
Oslo Diamond League is not a Dream Mile this year but instead a LOADED 1500.
Here is the start list ranked by PR
CHERUIYOT, Timothy - KEN - 3:28.28
INGEBRIGTSEN, Jakob - NOR - 3:28.32
KATIR, Mohamed - ESP - 3:28.76
KERR, Josh - GBR - 3:29.05
MCSWEYN, Stewart - AUS - 3:29.51
KIPSANG, Abel - KEN - 3:29.56
INGEBRIGTSEN, Filip - NOR - 3:30.01
HOARE, Oliver - AUS - 3:30.12
GARCÍA, Mario - ESP - 3:30.20
HABZ, Azeddine - FRA - 3:31.74
LEMI, Teddese - ETH - 3:31.90
NORDÅS, Narve Gilje - NOR - 3:32.39
GOURLEY, Neil - GBR - 3:32.93
GRETHEN, Charles - LUX - 3:32.86
NUGUSE, Yared - USA - 3:33.02
ALMGREN, Andreas - SWE - 3:36.52
AKBACHE, Mounir - FRA - 3:39.81Who do you see as the #1 challenger to Jakob? I'm still going with Yared but if you want to say Katir or Timothy I'll let you :)
Yated is third to last on that list. Even sorting for seasons best he isn't the one closest to Jakob.
Third to last, eh?
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Wise Old Man wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
You guys don't think he is too tall/big for the 5k record?
A little bit of a liability, but 7:54 is awfully persuasive. He’s like Tergat, but better.
I agree that 7:54 is persuasive and that Jakob can threaten the 5k record, but Tergat is an odd comparison. Jakob weighs like 25 pounds more than rail-thin Tergat, and Tergat was never a 1500 runner by any stretch.
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
A little bit of a liability, but 7:54 is awfully persuasive. He’s like Tergat, but better.
I agree that 7:54 is persuasive and that Jakob can threaten the 5k record, but Tergat is an odd comparison. Jakob weighs like 25 pounds more than rail-thin Tergat, and Tergat was never a 1500 runner by any stretch.
Yeah you’re right, just pointing out that tall guys can run fast 5000s, that’s all. Girma is tall too, etc. Not making any sort of deeper comparison.
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
A little bit of a liability, but 7:54 is awfully persuasive. He’s like Tergat, but better.
I agree that 7:54 is persuasive and that Jakob can threaten the 5k record, but Tergat is an odd comparison. Jakob weighs like 25 pounds more than rail-thin Tergat, and Tergat was never a 1500 runner by any stretch.
Yes plus Tergat won 5 straight World Cross Country Championships and I am not sure Jakob could ever get on the podium. That is one weakness he has as a runner but it doesn’t seem to matter too much.
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Coevett wrote:
He ran 3:30 at Eugene last year. You may as well say Jakob hasn't shown his Olympic form since because he hasn't ran 3:28 again.
Josh Kerr's 'time trial' was indeed that, with virtually no spectators as well as no competion to speak of. Would you be 100% confident Nuguse could run 3:47 indoors solo with the only spectators being other largely disinterested athletes warming up at the side?
I was just drawing attention to the hype that surrounds Nuguse here. Having said that, you did join in with that, ranking him above Jakob after that indoor mile :
That was based on form at the time. Jakob coming off a month of sickness was far from his best. That’s why he won European Indoors but didn’t win by by a second of two plus which he would now if racing against that version of Gourley today.
Also let’s note I bullseyed Kerr and Nuguse’s time to the tenth in this thread. Perhaps I have a better grasp of where they’re at than you do.12
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