Cool story: 6 yrs ago, he was a recovering meth/heroin addict who smoked 2 packs a day. Now he's a 2:16 OTrials marathoner

chadrunner wrote:

666mg organic fair trade testosterone wrote:

The sour grapes in this thread is outrageous lol. Pretty understandable. A lot of folks just haven't had anything this difficult, like drug addiction, to overcome in their lives.

This guy is killing it. The greatest motivation for success is trying to distance your present self from your past self.

Its just jealousy by everyone. The average letsrun poster has to their own detriment, devoted a large portion of their life to running. They skipped social events and parties in college to "get in their double for the day". They neurotically ensured they hit mileage targets, ensuring to run on holidays, day of extreme weather, perhaps even the day of their own wedding all to make sure they don't fall behind on their aerobic base. They picked easy college majors like exercise science (or something worthless like that) so they could fully devote their time to running and recovery. Running world records are memorized and scrutinized down to the millisecond. Even after giving up their competitive aspirations, they obsess over random high school runners and their instagram "drama".

Meanwhile, an absolute CHAD texas runner partied hard in his teens and 20s, living life to the fullest, barely worked out (and did not run) , hooked up with probably too many girls to remember, and probably couldnt even tell you who Bekele is. Now he's working a full time job and using running as his hobby to get past some past drug addictions and he's blowing everyone out of the water. He probably views running like a normal person views watching netflix or doing something yoga after work. And he's destroying everyone.

I mean, I'd be upset at someone making a mockery of my entire life. Totally understandable.

chadrunner wrote:

666mg organic fair trade testosterone wrote:

The sour grapes in this thread is outrageous lol. Pretty understandable. A lot of folks just haven't had anything this difficult, like drug addiction, to overcome in their lives.

This guy is killing it. The greatest motivation for success is trying to distance your present self from your past self.

Its just jealousy by everyone. The average letsrun poster has to their own detriment, devoted a large portion of their life to running. They skipped social events and parties in college to "get in their double for the day". They neurotically ensured they hit mileage targets, ensuring to run on holidays, day of extreme weather, perhaps even the day of their own wedding all to make sure they don't fall behind on their aerobic base. They picked easy college majors like exercise science (or something worthless like that) so they could fully devote their time to running and recovery. Running world records are memorized and scrutinized down to the millisecond. Even after giving up their competitive aspirations, they obsess over random high school runners and their instagram "drama".

Meanwhile, an absolute CHAD texas runner partied hard in his teens and 20s, living life to the fullest, barely worked out (and did not run) , hooked up with probably too many girls to remember, and probably couldnt even tell you who Bekele is. Now he's working a full time job and using running as his hobby to get past some past drug addictions and he's blowing everyone out of the water. He probably views running like a normal person views watching netflix or doing something yoga after work. And he's destroying everyone.

I mean, I'd be upset at someone making a mockery of my entire life. Totally understandable.

Honest Mike wrote:

And as free as you are to exonerate yourself, there are people who had worse that didn't choose the dirty path. Just because we as a community here are runners doesn't mean we have to support your lifestyle choices.

Having said this, I don't care that you recovered because you started in the first place.

You're not owed deference nor respect because in the general populace, addicts are a minority.

You had, as many did, many chances not to say yes. There exists no direct correlation from a difficult life and the consumption of cocaine or crack, etc.

In order to have it, you have to be around it tangentially at some juncture.

You don't have the right to use the fact that you hated your life as a teenager as fodder to explain addiction or even started.

Brass tacks: You don't become bad without associating with bad people.

Guess what dude? I hated my life as a teen and used it to get involved in school, a city youth commission, and even a part time job. I enjoyed life because of all of this. I didn't need alcohol, drugs, cigarettes or anything.

What you won't admit is that you're a rebel and it caught up to you, and many of the square nerds and dorks you all with the ripped jackets, goth faces and blue hair never needed that outside affirmation to know themselves.

So I don't care about your recovery, prowess as a runner, or what career you have.

I'm just one of the few that will candidly say I don't accept addicts and their stories and why.

i don't care if you care what I've said...but it is something I could not live with myself for not saying.

Tl;dr: you did the dope in the first place. Why should we care?

tru story wrote:

Honest Mike wrote:

And as free as you are to exonerate yourself, there are people who had worse that didn't choose the dirty path. Just because we as a community here are runners doesn't mean we have to support your lifestyle choices.

Having said this, I don't care that you recovered because you started in the first place.

You're not owed deference nor respect because in the general populace, addicts are a minority.

You had, as many did, many chances not to say yes. There exists no direct correlation from a difficult life and the consumption of cocaine or crack, etc.

In order to have it, you have to be around it tangentially at some juncture.

You don't have the right to use the fact that you hated your life as a teenager as fodder to explain addiction or even started.

Brass tacks: You don't become bad without associating with bad people.

Guess what dude? I hated my life as a teen and used it to get involved in school, a city youth commission, and even a part time job. I enjoyed life because of all of this. I didn't need alcohol, drugs, cigarettes or anything.

What you won't admit is that you're a rebel and it caught up to you, and many of the square nerds and dorks you all with the ripped jackets, goth faces and blue hair never needed that outside affirmation to know themselves.

So I don't care about your recovery, prowess as a runner, or what career you have.

I'm just one of the few that will candidly say I don't accept addicts and their stories and why.

i don't care if you care what I've said...but it is something I could not live with myself for not saying.

Tl;dr: you did the dope in the first place. Why should we care?

I agree. When a 500 pound person loses 100 or even 200 pounds, is that an inspiring story? NO because that person was a disgusting glutton for decades.

And the obvious fact that this guy is clearly taking performance enhancing drugs. Within 2 years of starting running he got down to 1:07 in the half marathon?? That's 5:09 pace. Then 2 years after that he runs almost that same pace for a full marathon?

If we are to believe he's clean, then he's more talented than Galen Rupp who trains like a professional for his entire life, sleeps in altitude chambers for 20 years, and runs 2:09 this year.

Honest Mike wrote:

tru story wrote:

I agree. When a 500 pound person loses 100 or even 200 pounds, is that an inspiring story? NO because that person was a disgusting glutton for decades.

And the obvious fact that this guy is clearly taking performance enhancing drugs. Within 2 years of starting running he got down to 1:07 in the half marathon?? That's 5:09 pace. Then 2 years after that he runs almost that same pace for a full marathon?

If we are to believe he's clean, then he's more talented than Galen Rupp who trains like a professional for his entire life, sleeps in altitude chambers for 20 years, and runs 2:09 this year.

The deeper issue is this:

When I worked for the 2010 Census in local office Admin., I worked with a lot of honorably discharged Veterans, as well as honorably discharged Veterans who were 5 and 10 point Veterans.

The reason why I was able to work with them, besides a high score on the test...is they weren't employed.

Meanwhile, the government grants tax breaks to businesses who hire felons that served their time.

Being that the Census background checks and that a felony conviction can disqualify, why is it that felons are valued more in private sector jobs than our Military?

Why do those who committed no crimes get less favor than those who did hard time or did hard drugs?

The root of the lack of inspiration of a drug addict making good stems from these valid concerns.