Correct me if wrong. But trans means transition. Hiltz to my knowledge has not gone through transition and changed from a cisfemale to a trans male. So those who point that out are not hating on her they are just pointing it out. If Hiltz wants to be identified as a male, they are simply asking then why continue to identify as a cisfemale in athletics. Further more why is Hiltz asking to be addressed as something other than a cis female when she clearly lives and thrives as one
Do you want to prevent trans-people from competing because they have an advantage, or because you don't like trans-people?
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Impala31 wrote:
I despise men who pretend to be woman and I feel no guilt about it. "Transphobia" is normal and a sane reaction when seeing a degenerate.
Men pretending to me women are not "transwomen." So hating them is not "transphobia." Hating real trans people is.
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Impala31 wrote:
I despise men who pretend to be woman and I feel no guilt about it. "Transphobia" is normal and a sane reaction when seeing a degenerate.
Men pretending to me women are not "transwomen." So hating them is not "transphobia." Hating real trans people is.
Indeed, they are just men. There is no such thing as "real trans". There are only men and women suffering from illness called gender dysphoria, and criminal politicians and surgeons who, instead of helping them getting healed, push the illness further with irreversible damages.
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Hayduke wrote:
Correct me if wrong. But trans means transition. Hiltz to my knowledge has not gone through transition and changed from a cisfemale to a trans male. So those who point that out are not hating on her they are just pointing it out. If Hiltz wants to be identified as a male, they are simply asking then why continue to identify as a cisfemale in athletics. Further more why is Hiltz asking to be addressed as something other than a cis female when she clearly lives and thrives as one
transgender doesn't mean transition. It means someone who does not identify with the gender assigned at birth based on biological sex.
Gender includes a social construct. It is different concept than biological sex.
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smelly feet wrote:
Hayduke wrote:
Correct me if wrong. But trans means transition. Hiltz to my knowledge has not gone through transition and changed from a cisfemale to a trans male. So those who point that out are not hating on her they are just pointing it out. If Hiltz wants to be identified as a male, they are simply asking then why continue to identify as a cisfemale in athletics. Further more why is Hiltz asking to be addressed as something other than a cis female when she clearly lives and thrives as one
transgender doesn't mean transition. It means someone who does not identify with the gender assigned at birth based on biological sex.
Gender includes a social construct. It is different concept than biological sex.
Ok makes sense. But once again what does it mean if it has no application to the job? If Hiltz identifies as a man, does it mean on those days hiltz either withdraws from the competition or enters the male race? If the change is only psychological and does not change the body physically, is it any different than someone saying I am in a different mood(happy sad,etc) today? If Hiltz prefers to be called they, once again no big deal for me, but should it be a big deal for Hiltz if someone doesn’t use the preferred pronouns?
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“Cis” is a slur. FJB
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No vax wrote:
“Cis” is a slur. FJB
Not to me. My understanding it means the gender you are is the same as the one on your birth certificate
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Because I have daughters who work hard at their sports and should not have to compete against or share lockers with boys, who identify as girls, who are effectively cheating. My daughters have monthly periods, are more likely to be injured, are smaller, have much lower testosterone levels, etc. Things that males will never have.
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Peach Pit wrote:
The overwhelming consensus on this board is that transwomen should not be able to compete against ciswomen. I agree with this opinion (for NCAA and pros at least). In my mind, it's unfair for transwomen to compete against ciswomen because of the biological advantages that come from going through puberty as a male. I've seen that same sentiment echoed many times here, but after seeing that Nikki Hiltz thread that was up for a couple days, I'm starting to think most people here don't actually believe that, and they only say it because it falls in line with their real position: They just don't like trans people.
It is blindingly obvious to me that if transwomen shouldn't compete against ciswomen due to biological advantages, that someone who's nonbinary (and born female) should be allowed to compete with ciswomen. Hiltz gained absolutely no advantage in the race by being non-binary. Alas, in that thread, there were a lot of people giving the absolutely braindead argument that "oH sHeS nOnBiNaRy sO wHy iS sHe CoMpEtiNg aGaiNsT fEmaLeS".
This line of argumentation shows me two things. First, you're literally calling Hiltz "she", so in your mind, Hiltz is a woman. The second is that you don't actually care about any biological advantages when it comes to trans people competing in sports. You're just looking for any excuse to trash trans-people.
Some people said Hiltz should have competed in the non-binary division. That's a way better argument, but currently there isn't a non-binary division for pros. There's a discussion to be had about making one, but without getting too much into it, I don't think it's worth it.
So I'm curious if most people here, like me, support trans-people in general but think it's unfair when it comes to sports, or if most people here don't support trans-people at all, but wheel out the biological advantages argument because it suits them at the time, even though they don't care if trans-people do have biological advantages.
Why can’t I do both?
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Peach Pit wrote:
The overwhelming consensus on this board is that transwomen should not be able to compete against ciswomen. I agree with this opinion (for NCAA and pros at least). In my mind, it's unfair for transwomen to compete against ciswomen because of the biological advantages that come from going through puberty as a male. I've seen that same sentiment echoed many times here, but after seeing that Nikki Hiltz thread that was up for a couple days, I'm starting to think most people here don't actually believe that, and they only say it because it falls in line with their real position: They just don't like trans people.
It is blindingly obvious to me that if transwomen shouldn't compete against ciswomen due to biological advantages, that someone who's nonbinary (and born female) should be allowed to compete with ciswomen. Hiltz gained absolutely no advantage in the race by being non-binary. Alas, in that thread, there were a lot of people giving the absolutely braindead argument that "oH sHeS nOnBiNaRy sO wHy iS sHe CoMpEtiNg aGaiNsT fEmaLeS".
This line of argumentation shows me two things. First, you're literally calling Hiltz "she", so in your mind, Hiltz is a woman. The second is that you don't actually care about any biological advantages when it comes to trans people competing in sports. You're just looking for any excuse to trash trans-people.
Some people said Hiltz should have competed in the non-binary division. That's a way better argument, but currently there isn't a non-binary division for pros. There's a discussion to be had about making one, but without getting too much into it, I don't think it's worth it.
So I'm curious if most people here, like me, support trans-people in general but think it's unfair when it comes to sports, or if most people here don't support trans-people at all, but wheel out the biological advantages argument because it suits them at the time, even though they don't care if trans-people do have biological advantages.
Why can’t I do both?
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No vax wrote:
“Cis” is a slur. FJB
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comedyrelaff wrote:
Because I have daughters who work hard at their sports and should not have to compete against or share lockers with boys, who identify as girls, who are effectively cheating. My daughters have monthly periods, are more likely to be injured, are smaller, have much lower testosterone levels, etc. Things that males will never have.
What about transgender girls who are small, have testosterone level as low as most girls and are as likely to get injured?
It's amazing that people are against minors taking puberty blockers and cross hormone because of all the "negative health effects" but then those things have absolutely no impact on athletic performance. If lower bone density (the most common side effect of puberty blocker) does not increase the injury risk, why is it so bad?
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
comedyrelaff wrote:
Because I have daughters who work hard at their sports and should not have to compete against or share lockers with boys, who identify as girls, who are effectively cheating. My daughters have monthly periods, are more likely to be injured, are smaller, have much lower testosterone levels, etc. Things that males will never have.
What about transgender girls who are small, have testosterone level as low as most girls and are as likely to get injured?
It's amazing that people are against minors taking puberty blockers and cross hormone because of all the "negative health effects" but then those things have absolutely no impact on athletic performance. If lower bone density (the most common side effect of puberty blocker) does not increase the injury risk, why is it so bad?
They can also cause long term fertility issues. Gender dysphoria generally goes away as kids grow older if left alone. Some people have anxiety going through puberty. Doesn’t mean we need to over react and throw a bunch of drugs that can cause long term damage at them.
And low bone density is a huge issue. The bisphosphonates they give people nowadays do a great job of stopping the progression of osteoporosis, but have some nasty side effects: namely, if you do end up fracturing a bone or losing a tooth while on bisphosphonates, the ability of the bone to heal itself is greatly diminished. A lot of patients develop osteonecrosis that can be fatal or permanently disfiguring (take a look at what someone looks like after a jaw amputation).
Minors don’t fully understand the risks involved or what they are sacrificing for life (do you imagine that a teen or pre-teen has enough wisdom to make life altering medical decisions regarding things like genital mutilations or double mastectomies?).
As far as sports are concerned, there are recreational and coed sports that are open to all. Kids can participate and practice without competing (heck, girls and boys practice together often times anyhow). Or they can always play with the boys (there have been girls for decades who have played baseball, football, etc. on boy’s teams, and it has been allowed because there is no advantage). Competitive girls sports should be limited to biologic females regardless of height, t-levels or all the other excuses you try to make.
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comedyrelaff wrote:
They can also cause long term fertility issues. Gender dysphoria generally goes away as kids grow older if left alone. Some people have anxiety going through puberty. Doesn’t mean we need to over react and throw a bunch of drugs that can cause long term damage at them.
We found that an average of 5 years after their initial social transition, 7.3% of youth had retransitioned at least once. At the end of this period, most youth identified as binary transgender youth (94%), including 1.3% who retransitioned to another identity before returning to their binary transgender identity. A total of 2.5% of youth identified as cisgender and 3.5% as nonbinary.
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