Deanouk wrote:
Aouita had the greater range but he won no titles over 800, 1500 or 10k. He also never broke the mile WR and won only a single Olympic medal (albeit gold).
1988 800m bronze.
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Coevett wrote:
Really dumb to believe Jakob has hit his peak just because he didn't improve his 1500m time in a year when he doubled at two major championships and there was no Monaco 1500m.
Will run sub 3:28 at Monaco next year for sure.
Agree he surely has a 3:27 in him unless he concentrates on the 5,000
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Lollys Master wrote:
Aouita 84 wrote:
Of course I'm a bit bias given my LRC handle, BUT, are you seriously saying that Rudisha's career was more impressive than Aouita's? Mulitple WR's at various distances, Oly Champ, World Champ, and a career that spanned from 1983-1989 at the highest level. The dude ran 1:43 in 1988 near the END of his career.
Wake up dude! You need to be better than that.
It's clearly a matter of preference, but Rudisha has twice as many olympic golds and twice as many WC golds as Aouita. Aouita only competed indoors in 1989, so had 5 legit years, just like Rudisha. And 1:43.86 is nice, but 1:40.91 is much nicer :)
Pretty sure nobody is arguing Aouita was the superior 800m runner.
But he clearly could beat Rudisha at every distance from 1500m on up
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L'innoculateur wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Think he did run some 1:43s in addition to his 1:41 and 1:42.
AS a runner, you are your PR
I was looking at his times:
From 1977 to 1989 he run 72 races 800m
He run under 1:44 on 9 of them.
Sounds right.
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carmine9 wrote:
Lollys Master wrote:
It's clearly a matter of preference, but Rudisha has twice as many olympic golds and twice as many WC golds as Aouita. Aouita only competed indoors in 1989, so had 5 legit years, just like Rudisha. And 1:43.86 is nice, but 1:40.91 is much nicer :)
Pretty sure nobody is arguing Aouita was the superior 800m runner.
But he clearly could beat Rudisha at every distance from 1500m on up
Sure, but in a general discussion of “Who was the greater athlete?” I for one vote Rudisha based on his being the greatest 800 runner in history. By the same token I’d put Wilson Kipketer and Joaquim Cruz above Augustine Choge (obviously), and Johnny Gray above Alan Webb.
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tomnook wrote:
The people who think Jakob has peaked in the 1500 because he didn't PB this year must be the same ones who thought Cole Hocker was maxed out when he was closing 3:35 races in 52. I don't understand the complete inability to look beyond mere finishing times and consider the circumstances of a race, season, etc.
Jakob has improved substantially from last year. Prior to this season, he had never consistently dominated or been the clear number 1 in the world. He's joined Tim as the only other man capable of pushing sub-3:30 for the win once the pacers have dropped. In a year with two hard championship doubles, he's still managed multiple fast times in races he won convincingly. Compare his Zurich races the last two years and tell me he hasn't leveled up.
With just one championships next year, expect a greater emphasis on fast times. We probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the pace lights in Lausanne had been set correctly, but it won't matter when he runs 3:27 in Monaco next season.
Jakob dominated this year because he was very solid second best in 2020 and 2021. In 2022, Tim C is now a 3:30 runner at best.
I don’t think Jakob could’ve PRed this year but I do agree with everything else.
I’m not sure he beats Wightman next year either, and I definitely vote against him in a championship with no rabbits.
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
Aouita had the greater range but he won no titles over 800, 1500 or 10k. He also never broke the mile WR and won only a single Olympic medal (albeit gold).
1988 800m bronze.
This is the same Aouita who reportedly urged Australian athletes he was training to dope? His performances are about as credible as those of Kiprop.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
1988 800m bronze.
This is the same Aouita who reportedly urged Australian athletes he was training to dope? His performances are about as credible as those of Kiprop.
You are all the same.
Let Peter Snell sleep in peace.
If you have something accurate bring it.
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Kobbs Hessler wrote:
El G's mile WR is 23 years old now. In the 23 years prior to 1999, the mile WR was broken 7 times. In the 23 years prior to that, it was broken 11 times. Something is off about that.
24 for the 1500m.
It's only a matter of time that this distance will be brought to the right place.
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L\'innoculateur wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
This is the same Aouita who reportedly urged Australian athletes he was training to dope? His performances are about as credible as those of Kiprop.
You are all the same.
Let Peter Snell sleep in peace.
If you have something accurate bring it.
Adapt yourself with the changes of time.So a clean athlete urges his charges to dope? It was confirmed by those athletes.
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Lollys Master wrote:
Aouita 84 wrote:
Of course I'm a bit bias given my LRC handle, BUT, are you seriously saying that Rudisha's career was more impressive than Aouita's? Mulitple WR's at various distances, Oly Champ, World Champ, and a career that spanned from 1983-1989 at the highest level. The dude ran 1:43 in 1988 near the END of his career.
Wake up dude! You need to be better than that.
It's clearly a matter of preference, but Rudisha has twice as many olympic golds and twice as many WC golds as Aouita. Aouita only competed indoors in 1989, so had 5 legit years, just like Rudisha. And 1:43.86 is nice, but 1:40.91 is much nicer :)
Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge Rudisha fan, but he had zero range. Don't forget, Aouita was one of the first, if not the first to push his limits in other events. A range from 800m to 10,000m is unbelievable.
I'm going with:
Oly Gold-5000
Oly Bronze-800
WC Gold-5000
WC Gold-3000 indoors
WC Bronze-1500
WR-1500
WR-2000
WR-3000
WR-5000 x 2 (1st sub 13:00)
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Aouita 84 wrote:
Lollys Master wrote:
It's clearly a matter of preference, but Rudisha has twice as many olympic golds and twice as many WC golds as Aouita. Aouita only competed indoors in 1989, so had 5 legit years, just like Rudisha. And 1:43.86 is nice, but 1:40.91 is much nicer :)
Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge Rudisha fan, but he had zero range. Don't forget, Aouita was one of the first, if not the first to push his limits in other events. A range from 800m to 10,000m is unbelievable.
I'm going with:
Oly Gold-5000
Oly Bronze-800
WC Gold-5000
WC Gold-3000 indoors
WC Bronze-1500
WR-1500
WR-2000
WR-3000
WR-5000 x 2 (1st sub 13:00)
Look at your username. This is as surprising as if Coevett said Coe and Ovett should have statues put up and that it should be mandatory for Brits to kneel before them.
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Aouita had 38 800m races and ran under 1:46 eleven times.
Aouita had 76 1500m races and ran under 3:35 thirteen times.
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Naaaaade wrote:
Aouita 84 wrote:
This is as surprising as if Coevett said Coe and Ovett should have statues put up and that it should be mandatory for Brits to kneel before them.
Coe was the product of his father
Snell / Herb Elliot were the product of a wealthy imperialist era.Aouita was the product of himself and a subzero level of poverty.
It's him that stood the weight and the pressure that lit the way for the generation after him.
He has a weakness of throwing words without control that cost him issues with the medias.
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ElBULL2 wrote:
Aouita had 38 800m races and ran under 1:46 eleven times.
Aouita had 76 1500m races and ran under 3:35 thirteen times.
115 victories over 119 races in 9 years.
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L\'innoculateur wrote:
Naaaaade wrote:
This is as surprising as if Coevett said Coe and Ovett should have statues put up and that it should be mandatory for Brits to kneel before them.
Coe was the product of his father
Snell / Herb Elliot were the product of a wealthy imperialist era.Aouita was the product of himself and a subzero level of poverty.
It's him that stood the weight and the pressure that lit the way for the generation after him.
He has a weakness of throwing words without control that cost him issues with the medias.
Everyone here is biased. They worship Coe. You worship Aouita. You are the same.
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Naaaaade wrote:
Everyone here is biased. They worship Coe. You worship Aouita. You are the same.
I don't worship Aouita, I spread "Aouita worshiping" in LRC after seeing all the attacks threads on LRC about him in LRC.
Just google...
In LRC there is a worshiping threads of the old Anglo legends of 50s, 60s, 70s and a tendency to draw an evil image about African runners.
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L\'innoculateur wrote:
Naaaaade wrote:
Everyone here is biased. They worship Coe. You worship Aouita. You are the same.
I don't worship Aouita, I spread "Aouita worshiping" in LRC after seeing all the attacks threads on LRC about him in LRC.
Just google...
In LRC there is a worshiping threads of the old Anglo legends of 50s, 60s, 70s and a tendency to draw an evil image about African runners.
Your last sentence is accurate BUT you do worship Aouita. You are always praising him just like they always praise Coe and other Brits.
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