Yes exactly, Russia did the smart thing and pulled out their missiles, and saves many lives, thank you Russia.
The US didn't pull out their missiles and ignored Russia, and many lives are lost due to the US's hypocrisy and bullying. (btw, it is less than 3k civilian lives, not 10's of thousands you brilliant mind you)
The US is at fault for this.
Very simple dude.
Mess with the horns you get the bull. Whether it's Cuba, Ukraine, whoever.
Too bad your brilliant mind can't figure that out.
At the start of this conflict the United States had no missiles based in Ukraine, and no announced plans to do so in the future. Since the commencement of Russia's Special Murder Operation, the US has given Ukraine defensive tactical missiles, but no offensive missiles
The missiles Russia based in Cuba in the early '60s were offensive missiles. I expect you can discern why that distinction matters.
To me, that means, you are my B. When u b my B, I owns u. U don't do anything without my permission B.
Is that dafuq crap u r lookin 4?
So the USSR "took over" West Berlin 1948?
Oh Yeahhh, I forgot the treaty that Cuba had signed with the US while the US was blocking their ability to be a free nation by force.
Here's a better example for you. How do you think China would react if we surrounded their country from receiving any type of trade? I am sure they would have no problem! Especially with the same treaty Cuba and the US had back then.
Makes total sense since you are such the history buff!
Amazing how genius this argument is: "if [country x] would just surrender and let themselves be conquered by murderous invaders, the war would be over! This is the best way to end bloodshed: appeasement!"
Sending every last Ukrainian to their deaths in a proxy war no one in NATO is willing to shed 1 drop of their own blood for isn't as noble as you seem to think.
Ukrainians aren't being "sent" by anyone except themselves. Ukrainians don't want to be invaded, attacked, murdered, occupied and oppressed by a regime and country of murderous thugs (Russia). Many Ukrainians are giving their lives for that idea. That is INDEED a noble endeavor, despite what you think. NORMAL people applaud their desire for freedom. You fringe disgusting people feel differently for reasons you can't adequately articulate (hence the resort to illogical premises and whaddaboutyou type nonsense).
The policy of America and the West is too help the Ukrainian effort because we believe in their freedom and we don't believe they should be murdered and killed by Russians, who have proved themselves, yet again, to not only be an enemy of America and freedom, but an entirely disgusting immoral country/people as well.
Yes exactly, Russia did the smart thing and pulled out their missiles, and saves many lives, thank you Russia.
The US didn't pull out their missiles and ignored Russia, and many lives are lost due to the US's hypocrisy and bullying. (btw, it is less than 3k civilian lives, not 10's of thousands you brilliant mind you)
The US is at fault for this.
Very simple dude.
Mess with the horns you get the bull. Whether it's Cuba, Ukraine, whoever.
Too bad your brilliant mind can't figure that out.
At the start of this conflict the United States had no missiles based in Ukraine, and no announced plans to do so in the future. Since the commencement of Russia's Special Murder Operation, the US has given Ukraine defensive tactical missiles, but no offensive missiles
The missiles Russia based in Cuba in the early '60s were offensive missiles. I expect you can discern why that distinction matters.
Before I answer, you do realize the idea of "no offensive missiles" sounds silly right? You do know how much military equipment we have given them since we organized their coup 2014 right? It's a lot.
I keep going back to how the US is being a bully and hypocrites and people are too blind to see.
We did the right thing in kicking out the Russians from Cuba. The Russians tried to kick out the US but we said nah, we are the captain now, we will still arm them.
And we messed with the bull. And now Ukrainians are dead. And Russians too.
Oh Yeahhh, I forgot the treaty that Cuba had signed with the US while the US was blocking their ability to be a free nation by force.
Here's a better example for you. How do you think China would react if we surrounded their country from receiving any type of trade? I am sure they would have no problem! Especially with the same treaty Cuba and the US had back then.
Makes total sense since you are such the history buff!
It's a simply question. Is a temporary embargo the same thing as taking over a country? From your response, it's only when the US does it.
Sending every last Ukrainian to their deaths in a proxy war no one in NATO is willing to shed 1 drop of their own blood for isn't as noble as you seem to think.
Ukrainians aren't being "sent" by anyone except themselves. Ukrainians don't want to be invaded, attacked, murdered, occupied and oppressed by a regime and country of murderous thugs (Russia). Many Ukrainians are giving their lives for that idea. That is INDEED a noble endeavor, despite what you think. NORMAL people applaud their desire for freedom. You fringe disgusting people feel differently for reasons you can't adequately articulate (hence the resort to illogical premises and whaddaboutyou type nonsense).
The policy of America and the West is too help the Ukrainian effort because we believe in their freedom and we don't believe they should be murdered and killed by Russians, who have proved themselves, yet again, to not only be an enemy of America and freedom, but an entirely disgusting immoral country/people as well.
Wow, you are blue pilled like hell. You actually believe that's why the US is supplying my tax dollars for a insanely corrupt country like Ukraine. Go watch the documentary on how the US did a coup to ouster a Russian backed gov.
How about this, use that 15 billion we gave and will continue to give who the F knows, and feed the world for 6 months. Will save a lot more lives than the 3K lost in Ukraine already fighting America's proxy war.
Oh but we care about Ukraine. If you thought that was a country to save instead of the thousands of hungry people in the world who are truly innocent, then we agree to disagree.
How many Cuban civilians died at the hands of US soldiers during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Zero Cubans died. That has nothing to do with it. The Cubans are alive because the Russians pulled out their missiles, something Ukraine and the US ignored for YEARS.
Zero Ukrainians would be dead now, if the US has pulled out their missiles as well, but ignore that fact please.
The difference isn't the amount dead, it is the missiles. You don't get that. The US had every right to be pissed at Russia for Cuba, the same as Russia has every right to be pissed at the US and Ukraine.
Let's play your non-dead Cuban theory out future cause the US was so nice to basically take away all support to Cuba. That is essentially the same as taking over the country. And if you still don't understand that, see how you would do if the gov surrounded your house and gave you no ability to leave.
The difference is the Cuba couldn't defend itself like Ukraine can today, OR Cuba and the US would have gone to war as well. And if that blockade lasted years the same way that Russia has told the US to stop arming Ukraine, many many Cubans would have died. BUT Russia was the bigger smarter country back then, unlike the US today.
If the US truly cared about dead Ukrainians, they would stop supplying Ukraine weapons for a war that they won't win and will destroy their country in the meantime. That is fact!
US did take out missiles to resolve the Cuban missile crisis. Learn the history about what you are posting here. The US removed missiles from Turkey which was a concession made in negotiations with the USSR, that was secret at the time, but well known now.
US played hard ball with the blockade and was making back channel talks at the same time. Strong and shrewd diplomacy resolved the crisis.
Oh Yeahhh, I forgot the treaty that Cuba had signed with the US while the US was blocking their ability to be a free nation by force.
Here's a better example for you. How do you think China would react if we surrounded their country from receiving any type of trade? I am sure they would have no problem! Especially with the same treaty Cuba and the US had back then.
Makes total sense since you are such the history buff!
It's a simply question. Is a temporary embargo the same thing as taking over a country? From your response, it's only when the US does it.
I did answer. I said I owns u if u can't do what u want. And they couldn't do what they want by FORCE.
So simply...YES, we controlled Cuba. They were our B.
Again, try that crap with China, Russia, England and see if the like it or better yet, if they would do anything about it.
Why are you guys arguing about something that happened 60 years ago? It isn’t that relevant. The USSR doesn’t exist anymore and US policy makers from that time are long retired or dead. You might as well argue about the Spanish American war.
What's up with noone here knowing history here and then saying I don't. It was the Russians who offered the deal to remove the missiles NOT the Americans.
And that was after the US decided to say you cant do what you want anymore Cuba cause you are our B now. Which IS an act of war my friend.
That's the same as Russia is doing now, but Ukraine is better at fighting back than Cuba.
But that doesn't change the fact that missiles were removed and NO WAR. But that isn't happening now. And why they are at war and why the US is the bully and hypocrites here.
At the start of this conflict the United States had no missiles based in Ukraine, and no announced plans to do so in the future. Since the commencement of Russia's Special Murder Operation, the US has given Ukraine defensive tactical missiles, but no offensive missiles
The missiles Russia based in Cuba in the early '60s were offensive missiles. I expect you can discern why that distinction matters.
Before I answer, you do realize the idea of "no offensive missiles" sounds silly right? You do know how much military equipment we have given them since we organized their coup 2014 right? It's a lot.
I keep going back to how the US is being a bully and hypocrites and people are too blind to see.
We did the right thing in kicking out the Russians from Cuba. The Russians tried to kick out the US but we said nah, we are the captain now, we will still arm them.
And we messed with the bull. And now Ukrainians are dead. And Russians too.
It is silly to pretend that there is no meaningful distinction between offensive missiles that can be sent over distance to strike buildings or military installations, and short range missiles like anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles. The NATO missiles that Putin was complaining about were the missiles based in NATO countries. And in February Biden stated he was willing to negotiate a reduction in those missiles and more them further west. And that isn't US propaganda, it is from TASS.
Ukrainians aren't being "sent" by anyone except themselves. Ukrainians don't want to be invaded, attacked, murdered, occupied and oppressed by a regime and country of murderous thugs (Russia). Many Ukrainians are giving their lives for that idea. That is INDEED a noble endeavor, despite what you think. NORMAL people applaud their desire for freedom. You fringe disgusting people feel differently for reasons you can't adequately articulate (hence the resort to illogical premises and whaddaboutyou type nonsense).
The policy of America and the West is too help the Ukrainian effort because we believe in their freedom and we don't believe they should be murdered and killed by Russians, who have proved themselves, yet again, to not only be an enemy of America and freedom, but an entirely disgusting immoral country/people as well.
Wow, you are blue pilled like hell. You actually believe that's why the US is supplying my tax dollars for a insanely corrupt country like Ukraine. Go watch the documentary on how the US did a coup to ouster a Russian backed gov.
How about this, use that 15 billion we gave and will continue to give who the F knows, and feed the world for 6 months. Will save a lot more lives than the 3K lost in Ukraine already fighting America's proxy war.
Oh but we care about Ukraine. If you thought that was a country to save instead of the thousands of hungry people in the world who are truly innocent, then we agree to disagree.
Wow, you are scumbagged pilled like hell. You actually believe Russia isn't led by murderous thugs and isn't murdering innocent Ukrainians by the thousands. Go watch Twitter and Youtube and you'll see all the destruction your scumbag country is causing to the lives of Ukrainian women and children.
How about this, use the 15 billion we gave and will continue to give, and then the next 15 billion and the next 15 billion after that, and finally end the endless Russian threats to world freedom that we've had to deal with for the last 75 years. Russia is OVER as a psycho, miserable, continuing threat to free people. It's coming, believe it.
What's up with noone here knowing history here and then saying I don't. It was the Russians who offered the deal to remove the missiles NOT the Americans.
And that was after the US decided to say you cant do what you want anymore Cuba cause you are our B now. Which IS an act of war my friend.
That's the same as Russia is doing now, but Ukraine is better at fighting back than Cuba.
But that doesn't change the fact that missiles were removed and NO WAR. But that isn't happening now. And why they are at war and why the US is the bully and hypocrites here.
Your knowledge of history is deficient is you aren't aware that Khrushchev didn't back down on the Cuban missiles until Kennedy agreed to pull US missiles from Turkey.
But now to the crux issue: At the time Putin's Special Murder Operation commenced, how many US missiles were based in Ukraine?
Before I answer, you do realize the idea of "no offensive missiles" sounds silly right? You do know how much military equipment we have given them since we organized their coup 2014 right? It's a lot.
I keep going back to how the US is being a bully and hypocrites and people are too blind to see.
We did the right thing in kicking out the Russians from Cuba. The Russians tried to kick out the US but we said nah, we are the captain now, we will still arm them.
And we messed with the bull. And now Ukrainians are dead. And Russians too.
It is silly to pretend that there is no meaningful distinction between offensive missiles that can be sent over distance to strike buildings or military installations, and short range missiles like anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles. The NATO missiles that Putin was complaining about were the missiles based in NATO countries. And in February Biden stated he was willing to negotiate a reduction in those missiles and more them further west. And that isn't US propaganda, it is from TASS.
Since we disagree on what an offensive weapon is and a defensive gun is, let's move on. I do understand what you are saying though. Yes, there are levels of missiles. But obviously, the Javilen missiles and billions of dollars we gave to Ukraine was enough.
China stages a coup in Canada that is now a pro China / anti US gov (that is damn corrupt, but what else is new)
Canada then wants to join the Chinese backed military alliance with that alliances sole goal is to appose the US.
China then spends billions of dollars to arm and train the Canadians to be part of this Anti-US force.
I am sure, the US will be just chilling. OR we would freak out rightfully so with the Cuban crisis.
All of you are defending the US cause we are the big dog now. It's nice to be the big dog where hypocrisy doesn't matter.
In 50 years or so, when we probably are not, let's see how much you will like the India / Chinese anti US alliance arming Mexico or whatever.
It is silly to pretend that there is no meaningful distinction between offensive missiles that can be sent over distance to strike buildings or military installations, and short range missiles like anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles. The NATO missiles that Putin was complaining about were the missiles based in NATO countries. And in February Biden stated he was willing to negotiate a reduction in those missiles and more them further west. And that isn't US propaganda, it is from TASS.
Since we disagree on what an offensive weapon is and a defensive gun is, let's move on. I do understand what you are saying though. Yes, there are levels of missiles. But obviously, the Javilen missiles and billions of dollars we gave to Ukraine was enough.
China stages a coup in Canada that is now a pro China / anti US gov (that is damn corrupt, but what else is new)
Canada then wants to join the Chinese backed military alliance with that alliances sole goal is to appose the US.
China then spends billions of dollars to arm and train the Canadians to be part of this Anti-US force.
I am sure, the US will be just chilling. OR we would freak out rightfully so with the Cuban crisis.
All of you are defending the US cause we are the big dog now. It's nice to be the big dog where hypocrisy doesn't matter.
In 50 years or so, when we probably are not, let's see how much you will like the India / Chinese anti US alliance arming Mexico or whatever.
It's called, leave your neighbors wife alone.
But Javs weren't the missiles that Putin was complaining about (until he invaded and they were used to oppose him inside the borders of the country he invaded). He was complaining about the Tomahawk platforms based in the NATO countries Poland and Romania.
What's up with noone here knowing history here and then saying I don't. It was the Russians who offered the deal to remove the missiles NOT the Americans.
And that was after the US decided to say you cant do what you want anymore Cuba cause you are our B now. Which IS an act of war my friend.
That's the same as Russia is doing now, but Ukraine is better at fighting back than Cuba.
But that doesn't change the fact that missiles were removed and NO WAR. But that isn't happening now. And why they are at war and why the US is the bully and hypocrites here.
Your knowledge of history is deficient is you aren't aware that Khrushchev didn't back down on the Cuban missiles until Kennedy agreed to pull US missiles from Turkey.
But now to the crux issue: At the time Putin's Special Murder Operation commenced, how many US missiles were based in Ukraine?
Dang, reading comprehension. That is exactly what I just said for goodness sakes. The Russians offered the deal, not the Americans. Just cause we agreed to the deal doesn't mean they didn't offer it.
And then you what I said was wrong. This is impossible sometimes. Never-ending mistakes you guys make. Like arguing with people making up their own facts.
Lots of missiles brah! Read up on it. Or you know so much about history you can tell me yourself. Gesh.
Since we disagree on what an offensive weapon is and a defensive gun is, let's move on. I do understand what you are saying though. Yes, there are levels of missiles. But obviously, the Javilen missiles and billions of dollars we gave to Ukraine was enough.
China stages a coup in Canada that is now a pro China / anti US gov (that is damn corrupt, but what else is new)
Canada then wants to join the Chinese backed military alliance with that alliances sole goal is to appose the US.
China then spends billions of dollars to arm and train the Canadians to be part of this Anti-US force.
I am sure, the US will be just chilling. OR we would freak out rightfully so with the Cuban crisis.
All of you are defending the US cause we are the big dog now. It's nice to be the big dog where hypocrisy doesn't matter.
In 50 years or so, when we probably are not, let's see how much you will like the India / Chinese anti US alliance arming Mexico or whatever.
It's called, leave your neighbors wife alone.
But Javs weren't the missiles that Putin was complaining about (until he invaded and they were used to oppose him inside the borders of the country he invaded). He was complaining about the Tomahawk platforms based in the NATO countries Poland and Romania.
Let's break this down for you.
Poland - Nato Country - Has missiles Putin don't like
Romania - Nato Country - Has missiles Putin don't like
Ukraine - US backed gov by a coup done by the US gov with hopes Ukraine will be a Nato Country.
US sending billions of dollars to Ukraine to militarize their country.
Putin can't wait till Ukraine joins Nato before attacking. The longer he waits, the harder it will be for him. He doesn't want a Nato backed Ukraine at his border.
Putin keeps telling the US to stop arming Ukraine. The US doesn't listen.
Putin says, alright, that's enough.
Just ask yourself, does Putin invade if the US isn't arming Ukraine with the idea they will join Nato. If you say he would, then whatever.