“This fails even the simplest of logic tests. Vaccines can help to reduce the rates of transmission and contraction.”
Complete guess at best, lie at worst. There is no evidence to support this dream you have that the unvaccinated are the spreaders, in fact quite the opposite is showing up in vast segments of the World, including the US.
You are an addict. There is something in this concoction driving you to think this way as some sort of bloodthirsty beast to your drug.
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
439 wrote:
This is so far from reality...
Nope. The vast majority of anti-vaxxx rhetoric boils down to ignorance and conspiracies.
Their body their choice. You can't tell people what to do with their bodies.
Noyankee wrote:
“This fails even the simplest of logic tests. Vaccines can help to reduce the rates of transmission and contraction.”
Complete guess at best, lie at worst. There is no evidence to support this dream you have that the unvaccinated are the spreaders, in fact quite the opposite is showing up in vast segments of the World, including the US.
You are an addict. There is something in this concoction driving you to think this way as some sort of bloodthirsty beast to your drug.
Here's well-respected viral immunologist explained how recent data shows the vast majority of transmissions are unvaxxed.
Do you think you have a better read on the data than he does? Doubtful!
(This was the impetus for my famous thread "Pandemic of the unvaccinated CONFIRMED")
https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1428785694198013957?s=20https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1428785670110150657Noyankee wrote:
“This fails even the simplest of logic tests. Vaccines can help to reduce the rates of transmission and contraction.”
Complete guess at best, lie at worst. There is no evidence to support this dream you have that the unvaccinated are the spreaders, in fact quite the opposite is showing up in vast segments of the World, including the US.
Harambe wrote:
Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:
WTH? The most Liberal print news is actually saying this? I've fallen and I can't get up! Lol.
Seriously, Biden has lost it if the Times doesn't endorse his mandates. He's not mentally competent to be the Commander & Chief of this country. I feel sorry for those independent voters who couldn't wait to vote out Trump - now look at who you're stuck with! Lol.
Nah you guys are wrong, most Americans support mandates, most Americans are vaccinated.
This is an EASY win. He frames it as a 'battle' when it's really just rolling over the last few weak-minded contrarians.
Genius move and it's fun to see internet tough guys get bodied by an 80 year old dude.
25% of the eligible population constitutes the "last few weak-minded contrarians"?
You're assuming everyone that was vaccinated is by default pro-mandate?
That 25% *will* show up to vote against Biden/democrats/fascists. Can't say the vax-fascists will show up to vote with similar excitement.
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
The underlying point is still not being addressed: if you are vaccinated, and the vaccination is as great as you think it is, what are you still so afraid of?
As another poster put it: this isn't about science or public health, this is about control.
See, again, the vaccine opposition boils down to conspiracy. "This about control. Ooga booga!"
No! This about 650K dead americans and counting when there is a free preventative available. It's about overloaded hospital systems. It's about variants developing that are resistant to the vaccine (already happening!). It's about not needlessly endangering other people.
The real question that needs to be answered is what are YOU afraid of? Because there is no good evidence that the vaccine is dangerous and the fact is that you could get people terribly sick or even kill them by not getting it.
We all know how many have died from Covid. How many have died from the Covid vaccine itself?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-mandate-work-poll-americans-favor/krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
25% of the eligible population constitutes the "last few weak-minded contrarians"?
You're assuming everyone that was vaccinated is by default pro-mandate?
That 25% *will* show up to vote against Biden/democrats/fascists. Can't say the vax-fascists will show up to vote with similar excitement.
Enjoy fantasizing about some big revolutionary moment as the anti-vax movement dies with a whimper. :)
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
You are directionally incorrect here.
Correct American interpretation of the current situation:
We have the right to not have a state mandate an experimental drug for a strong seasonal flu. You can find a new job where you think in your own mind you are safe.
The underlying point is still not being addressed: if you are vaccinated, and the vaccination is as great as you think it is, what are you still so afraid of?
As another poster put it: this isn't about science or public health, this is about control.
See, again, the vaccine opposition boils down to conspiracy. "This about control. Ooga booga!"
No! This about 650K dead americans and counting when there is a free preventative available. It's about overloaded hospital systems. It's about variants developing that are resistant to the vaccine (already happening!). It's about not needlessly endangering other people.
The real question that needs to be answered is what are YOU afraid of? Because there is no good evidence that the vaccine is dangerous and the fact is that you could get people terribly sick or even kill them by not getting it.
The VAST majority of that 650k number was pre-widely-available vaccine, ~94%, so those deaths don't support your argument. Please feel free to try again.
Hospital systems are not being overloaded - again, please try again.
I'm not afraid of the vaccine. I am afraid of the future state of a government that can mandate I inject an experimental substance into my body to prevent a flu that I am probably already immune to. Pretty simple.
ok p wrote:
We all know how many have died from Covid. How many have died from the Covid vaccine itself?
An exceedingly small number.
Thank you for being one of the few fearmongers who accepts that COVID actually killed people, though.
Noyankee wrote:
Complete guess at best, lie at worst. There is no evidence to support this dream……., in fact quite the opposite is showing up in vast segments of the World, including the US..
Wow - you certainly were at the back of the queue weren’t you!
There is tons of data to disprove your comments, but please don’t let facts get in the way of your b&tsh!t crazy anti-vax drivel.
krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
The VAST majority of that 650k number was pre-widely-available vaccine, ~94%, so those deaths don't support your argument. Please feel free to try again.
Hospital systems are not being overloaded - again, please try again.
I'm not afraid of the vaccine. I am afraid of the future state of a government that can mandate I inject an experimental substance into my body to prevent a flu that I am probably already immune to. Pretty simple.
Americans are dying because ICUs are full of antivaxxers. Sorry, time for Biden to step in.
Even one American dead because antivaxxers took their hospital bed is enough to justify a mandate. We simply cannot let the ignorant selfishly consume essential services and leave nothing for the rest.
If you and others had been more pro-vax and encouraged more uptake, we would not have hospitals all over America full of antivaxxers and this mandate would not be here.
The blame rests squarely on the people who relentlessly fearmongered the vaccine. Oops! You played yourself!
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
439 wrote:
This is so far from reality...
Nope. The vast majority of anti-vaxxx rhetoric boils down to ignorance and conspiracies.
CORRECT!
Flagpole wrote:
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Nope. The vast majority of anti-vaxxx rhetoric boils down to ignorance and conspiracies.
CORRECT!
INCORRECT! and you are an idiot.
How is being required to be tested once a week a "vaccine mandate."
Harambe wrote:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-mandate-work-poll-americans-favor/krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
25% of the eligible population constitutes the "last few weak-minded contrarians"?
You're assuming everyone that was vaccinated is by default pro-mandate?
That 25% *will* show up to vote against Biden/democrats/fascists. Can't say the vax-fascists will show up to vote with similar excitement.
Enjoy fantasizing about some big revolutionary moment as the anti-vax movement dies with a whimper. :)
That sounds like your prediction from last year that everyone who disagreed with your covid views would soon stop posting here.
We surely have been keeping you busy, when you are online posting more than 12 hours a day xD
You are so wrong, so often, it's funny :D
Harambe wrote:
krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
The VAST majority of that 650k number was pre-widely-available vaccine, ~94%, so those deaths don't support your argument. Please feel free to try again.
Hospital systems are not being overloaded - again, please try again.
I'm not afraid of the vaccine. I am afraid of the future state of a government that can mandate I inject an experimental substance into my body to prevent a flu that I am probably already immune to. Pretty simple.
Americans are dying because ICUs are full of antivaxxers. Sorry, time for Biden to step in.
Even one American dead because antivaxxers took their hospital bed is enough to justify a mandate. We simply cannot let the ignorant selfishly consume essential services and leave nothing for the rest.
If you and others had been more pro-vax and encouraged more uptake, we would not have hospitals all over America full of antivaxxers and this mandate would not be here.
The blame rests squarely on the people who relentlessly fearmongered the vaccine. Oops! You played yourself!
Yeah, this is the right attitude. Unfortunately it HAS to be this way. Individually, I don't care if people get vaccinated or not (though I will let them know they are morons), but the problem is that they are causing issues for others who DID get vaccinated. The health care system is stretched thin, people are putting off routine preventative care which is potentially dangerous for many of them, there aren't enough hospital beds in some areas to treat all the people who need to be treated (for a variety of things).
Ignorance and misplaced ideas about freedom can't be what steers us.
439 wrote:
Harambe wrote:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-mandate-work-poll-americans-favor/Enjoy fantasizing about some big revolutionary moment as the anti-vax movement dies with a whimper. :)
That sounds like your prediction from last year that everyone who disagreed with your covid views would soon stop posting here.
We surely have been keeping you busy, when you are online posting more than 12 hours a day xD
You are so wrong, so often, it's funny :D
Virtually everyone who posted with substance has left the board. Harambe was correct.
The only people left are trolls, people who refuse to look at data, and literal morons. Those kinda people you can't really do anything about, but it sure is fun to see them spin and spin and spin.
Harambe wrote:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-mandate-work-poll-americans-favor/krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
25% of the eligible population constitutes the "last few weak-minded contrarians"?
You're assuming everyone that was vaccinated is by default pro-mandate?
That 25% *will* show up to vote against Biden/democrats/fascists. Can't say the vax-fascists will show up to vote with similar excitement.
Enjoy fantasizing about some big revolutionary moment as the anti-vax movement dies with a whimper. :)
lol very nice self own. Your poll shows that people who work in person DO NOT want a mandate. It’s all the work from home people who do. Lol so once again, it is all about control.
You keep saying “a majority of Americans” favor mandates. The pills just don’t support this.
krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Nah you guys are wrong, most Americans support mandates, most Americans are vaccinated.
This is an EASY win. He frames it as a 'battle' when it's really just rolling over the last few weak-minded contrarians.
Genius move and it's fun to see internet tough guys get bodied by an 80 year old dude.
25% of the eligible population constitutes the "last few weak-minded contrarians"?
You're assuming everyone that was vaccinated is by default pro-mandate?
That 25% *will* show up to vote against Biden/democrats/fascists. Can't say the vax-fascists will show up to vote with similar excitement.
I don't pretend to know the political calculus well enough to guess how this all falls out, but there might be a whole lot more people, including those in the center-right electorate, quietly pissed off at the persistant anti-vax rhetoric and bone-headed politicization of a serious public health issue than you realize.
What corporate America and anyone else with a vested interest in the economy want is a return to normal and it's pretty bloody obvious that vaccine resistance is a major hurdle to getting there.
Look at this poll. Looks pretty even to me.
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