Intersex athlete Francine Niyonsaba wins again - 14:25!!

There is however one thing of note you contribute to this thread. You are a textbook case of NPD.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Jimmkner wrote:

You have lied again. I never claimed you had no evidence. This is where intelligence matters and you fail! I challenged you to provide evidence after you demanded that I provide evidence about Mutola’s gender status. I NEVER said Mboma was anything in terms of gender. You have been defeated again and trapped in a lie. Intelligence matters.

Well here you go.

(quote]Jimmkner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

"Her" testosterone levels exceed the IAAF guidelines. By definition that is intersex (or trans gender - and she is not that).

Please provide EVIDENCE or STFU!

You show this must be the first time incipient dementia manifests in a child.[/quote]

You have failed again! I asked you to provide the evidence. If you were smarter you would know that I was not claiming anything about the result. For you slow morons, if I asked you to provide evidence that I am a genius, it does not mean that I am claiming anything about being a genius or not.

Armstronglivs wrote:

There is however one thing of note you contribute to this thread. You are a textbook case of NPD.

Or if I asked you to provide proof that I am a textbook case of NPD, it does not mean that I am claiming anything regarding the result. Maybe I am a textbook case of NPD, but you certainly are not providing any evidence in your above post.

I'm not surprised. I had a similar discussion on the forum of an Italian newspaper, commenting the ongoing debate in Italy on a new law that should introduce the concept of gender and define some legal consequences of that. Not an easy topic in a country whose Constitution and the entire legal system are entirely based on the distinction between biological sexes. When i've tried to include the consequences on female sport in the debate (making the example of Semenya, which i suppose is widely known also by people who are not that much into sport) i've got similar reactions. When people - and organizations like Facebook - have a cultural/political agenda like many have nowadays on gender and self-identification, they simply don't consider what is not important to them (basically, the agenda itself becomes more important than anything else). And you see them claiming something which is for many others totally absurd, whilst for them it's just a natural consequence of sticking to the agenda.

tlm1959 wrote:

Her recent run results and an article about them popped up on my Facebook feed today.

The general sentiment on Facebook (from the comments) is that she should be allowed to run any event since she identifies as a female. One commenter said even if she had a "penis and testicles" she should be allowed to run. Many apparently think it is all about self-identity. Of course, the article didn't mention her DSD (which given the arguments laid out here is a very strong inference).

I was shocked. At least here there were a lot of posts discussing the actual science behind a lot of this.

Another reason for staying off of Facebook.

I'm not surprised. I had a similar discussion on the forum of an Italian newspaper, commenting the ongoing debate in Italy on a new law that should introduce the concept of gender and define some legal consequences of that. Not an easy topic in a country whose Constitution and the entire legal system are entirely based on the distinction between biological sexes. When i've tried to include the consequences on female sport in the debate (making the example of Semenya, which i suppose is widely known also by people who are not that much into sport) i've got similar reactions. When people - and organizations like Facebook - have a cultural/political agenda like many have nowadays on gender and self-identification, they simply don't consider what is not important to them (basically, the agenda itself becomes more important than anything else). And you see them claiming something which is for many others totally absurd, whilst for them it's just a natural consequence of sticking to the agenda.

Jimmkner wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

Yes, he was 'owned' on the real Mboma thread, now argues about Mboma here...only to be owned again...

How stupid can you be.

Indeed. The clown Armstrong has no clue and yet repeatedly argues with vehemence only surpassed by incoherence.

Even too dumb to realise I was referring to you

Jimmkner wrote:

I have failed again! it does not mean that I am a genius,I am a slow moron,

Finally you got something right

I am Sam wrote:

Jimmkner wrote:

Indeed. The clown Armstrong has no clue and yet repeatedly argues with vehemence only surpassed by incoherence.

Even too dumb to realise I was referring to you

Of course I knew you were referring to me, but because you are so stupid I transformed it into a disparagement of your fellow dunce.

I am Sam wrote:

Jimmkner wrote:

I have failed again! it does not mean that I am a genius,I am a slow moron,

Finally you got something right

Oh how clever of you to change my words. Wow…

Jimmkner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

There is however one thing of note you contribute to this thread. You are a textbook case of NPD.

Or if I asked you to provide proof that I am a textbook case of NPD, it does not mean that I am claiming anything regarding the result. Maybe I am a textbook case of NPD, but you certainly are not providing any evidence in your above post.

Every thread about DSD athletes for years has been polluted by Armstronglivs assertions and arrogance with 0 evidence.

It's ok to have strong opinions, by asserting things without evidence and making false claims over and over shouldn't be tolerated.

Im going to quote Kevin Beck from;

https://kevinbeck.substack.com/p/doping-should-not-currently-be-considered?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0NDA0ODgyOCwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDA5MTg5NTIsIl8iOiJ3UmRwaiIsImlhdCI6MTYzMTAwMzYwMSwiZXhwIjoxNjMxMDA3MjAxLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItODk5MjQiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.69buuZk6npztDM_pdiH7SkoMWep76ydpKaNa9qIBjkg

If that sounds dumb, once more time, this is what women runners are seeing:

Niyonsaba gets to run without T restrictions, and look at the results.

If my T levels are found to be high, the media eats me alive and I’m done.

Women runners are writing about how wonderful all of this is.

I publicly object, and I’m the villain.

Why the hell did I train for ten years just to find myself here?

Jimmkner wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

Finally you got something right

Oh how clever of you to change my words. Wow…

"I am Sam" is a manipulative cvnt, just like Armstronglivs. The latter is also a narcissist sociopath so there is no point in entering an argument with him. He will NEVER admit he is wrong and he will tell you he never was (he has actually done that).

There is nothing wrong with this thought at all. If you had a daughter you'd probably want to stand up for her and fair competition also. I agree totally.

Jimmkner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Well here you go.

(quote]Jimmkner wrote:

Please provide EVIDENCE or STFU!

You show this must be the first time incipient dementia manifests in a child.

You have failed again! I asked you to provide the evidence. If you were smarter you would know that I was not claiming anything about the result. For you slow morons, if I asked you to provide evidence that I am a genius, it does not mean that I am claiming anything about being a genius or not.[/quote]

Runragged, whose posts you did not or cannot read, explained in greater detail how the IAAF testosterone rules only affect DSD (intersex athletes), rules which have applied to both Niyonsaba and Mboma. That is the evidence of their condition. But you are too obtuse to grasp this - not to mention too lazy to read.

Vancomycin wrote:

Jimmkner wrote:

Or if I asked you to provide proof that I am a textbook case of NPD, it does not mean that I am claiming anything regarding the result. Maybe I am a textbook case of NPD, but you certainly are not providing any evidence in your above post.

Every thread about DSD athletes for years has been polluted by Armstronglivs assertions and arrogance with 0 evidence.

It's ok to have strong opinions, by asserting things without evidence and making false claims over and over shouldn't be tolerated.

I agree. So what are you doing here?

ah5 wrote:

Jimmkner wrote:

Oh how clever of you to change my words. Wow…

"I am Sam" is a manipulative cvnt, just like Armstronglivs. The latter is also a narcissist sociopath so there is no point in entering an argument with him. He will NEVER admit he is wrong and he will tell you he never was (he has actually done that).

To be clearer - you have never proven anyone wrong, not just me.

"Mboma and Niyonsaba have basically the same overall physiology as billions of other people on the planet who are male."

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In a nutshell. But there are morons on this thread, unable to read your excellent and informative posts, who cannot grasp this.