Cranny and schweizer

anonymous wasp wrote:

, I don’t care about the heat)

Moran

Conditions were bad. But if they were putting it all out there, then there is no way that they should have finished that close together. One has a bad race sure but both?!? They wimped out, plain and simple. Who knows what will happen in 2025. The race was today, race like it your last.

Your logic is weak. When they go hard, they finish close to each other. So finishing close together today means they aren’t trying? That’s wrong.

bigtool05 wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

So an existential question for nearly all American distance runners....what's the point? If your best is so far off a global medal, and you have no chance of every closing the talent gap, why bother? There are probably easier ways to earn a living.

What a stupid question. So if you’re not going to be the absolute best in the world at something you should just give up on it?

Yeah, it was a stupid question, but they certainly did not run well today. Fisher ran well. I would have thought Cranny at least would bring a Fisher like performance to this final. The conditions and the competition today were very similar to what he faced. Was it an epic failure, no, it was the final after all, but it wasn't great or even good.

I know Karissa was in the "know" group based upon a post she made right after the announcement was made. This in no way implies she was a "burrito eater" too.

* stipe wrote:

But Schweizer ran 14:26. She should’ve been there with 600 to go. And the truth is she hasn’t looked like a 14:26 runner all year.

And she only looked like a 14:26 runner once, in a TT that was specifically designed so she could run as fast as possible. I think it's time to recalibrate, and stop thinking of Schweizer as a 14:26 runner.

If you look at Schweizer as a high 14:30s to low 14:40s runner instead of a 14:26 runner, her times this year makes sense. Of course, doing that probably means giving up any hope of seeing her in a medal hunt internationally. But that was never realistic anyway.

PS. Burritogate only makes the case for recalibrating stronger.

The problem US distance runners face is that they have to deal with at least a semblance of credible testing in a sport where in certain areas the testing is a bigger joke then it is to begin with given how hard it is to catch the dopers. Burritogate was a major warning shot. If it did not happen what place would the top US runners have come in? They would still get out doped but I imagine the results would be somewhat better.

The AIU announces right away when it is relevant. You have to announce right away in the middle of the Olympics. December in the pandemic when Olympics are far away and might not take place is a different story.

Jerry made a mistake not to train his runners in humid conditions for a month or more. But they did do well in Rio.

Watching the make-up of the top 30 or so finishers in world XC, it is not surprising that these two placed where they did-it seemed to me that they were spent. The yawning time gaps between East Africans and others in this pure strength/endurance event suggest that the East Africans have substantial advantages, many of which have been discussed here.

She was also a mid-8:20s runner beating Houlihan in a 3k indoors.

Schweizer needs to sign up for the Chicago Marathon stat.

Anything over 2:25, and she should get A Real Job.

astro wrote:

The problem US distance runners face is that they have to deal with at least a semblance of credible testing in a sport where in certain areas the testing is a bigger joke then it is to begin with given how hard it is to catch the dopers. Burritogate was a major warning shot. If it did not happen what place would the top US runners have come in? They would still get out doped but I imagine the results would be somewhat better.

White first world response . #sad Pete and Salazar are better coaches than Jerry . Shalane taking pot shots at Rupp and Jordan after Chicago . The BTC crew is not as good as the elite running from other countries is the bottom line .

We did much worse in the non-tactical final in Rio. Houlihan was 42 seconds back of the 14:26 winner.

For comparison, Norway's Grovdal was 31 seconds back, the first non-African unless you count Can at 30 seconds back. In better conditions in London in 2017, Houlihan was 32 seconds back in 15:06. Rowbury was 25 seconds back. Muir was 18 seconds back. In a very hot climate in an open but also air-conditioned stadium in 2019, Schweizer was 19 seconds back in 14:45, while the German Klosterhalfen, trained in Oregon, finished two seconds back for the medal in 14:28. Purrier ran 14:58 and Weightman ran 14:44. In 2015, the USA only had Nicole Tully in the final, who ran 15:27, 61 seconds back of Ayana's 14:26. Kuijken was the first European in 15:08, 42 seconds back in the heat.

So, Europeans have had a terrible record in the heat and humidity in recent years. A/c helped in Doha.

When a slow final is won in your PR time, there's not a lot to say.

casual obsever wrote:

Vegan life style?

Yep. Radical leftist/vegan lifestyle. Too much time protesting, not enough time training.

Ellie Purrier proves that conservative women do it better.

I remember reading about Deena and Meb wearing 2 sweatsuits while training for the Athens Olympic marathon. They both won medals. Do we know if any US distance runners on the Tokyo team did any specific heat acclimation training? Or did they just use cooling vests in the call room? I know this guy is dead but his knowledge and expertise could be useful in these brutal conditions:

https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a20866055/scientist-who-helped-american-distance-runners-dies/

Tastes Like Chicken wrote:

* stipe wrote:

But Schweizer ran 14:26. She should’ve been there with 600 to go. And the truth is she hasn’t looked like a 14:26 runner all year.

And she only looked like a 14:26 runner once, in a TT that was specifically designed so she could run as fast as possible. I think it's time to recalibrate, and stop thinking of Schweizer as a 14:26 runner.

If you look at Schweizer as a high 14:30s to low 14:40s runner instead of a 14:26 runner, her times this year makes sense. Of course, doing that probably means giving up any hope of seeing her in a medal hunt internationally. But that was never realistic anyway.

PS. Burritogate only makes the case for recalibrating stronger.

You quoted, but cut off “suspicious by association”

Right of Center wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Vegan life style?

Yep. Radical leftist/vegan lifestyle. Too much time protesting, not enough time training.

Ellie Purrier proves that conservative women do it better.

Considering she is from a state and a county that voted Democrat, and she’s posted about BLM, I don’t think you’re correct in calling her conservative

SlowFatMaster wrote:

I remember reading about Deena and Meb wearing 2 sweatsuits while training for the Athens Olympic marathon. They both won medals. Do we know if any US distance runners on the Tokyo team did any specific heat acclimation training? Or did they just use cooling vests in the call room? I know this guy is dead but his knowledge and expertise could be useful in these brutal conditions:

https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a20866055/scientist-who-helped-american-distance-runners-dies/

Probably a lot of them did heat training. On Strava, Joe Klecker referred to wearing multiple layers on many runs.