16 Questions That Need To Be Answered In The Shelby Houlihan Case

John_James_413 wrote:

quote post wrote:

He called one person and then called it quits. Got it

Also trying to blame this on a mexican food truck is EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL to Mexico.

That's some bull crap!

I don't think the Mexicans are all that upset over this.

Professional_amateur wrote:

rojo wrote:

I still don't get why you need to know what's on the WADA list if you are'nt doping your athletes.

Maybe because you get paid as a coach for professional athletes (who are also well paid, btw) and so it's your job to make sure they don't put banned substances into their body?

You need a post grad qual to understand the banned list.

rojo wrote:

High hopes wrote:

1. For T&F journalists - Do you think you can report on your subjects impartially? If so, why has it taken a week for any publication to even start questioning the account put forward by the BTC team? .

When I had the gall to ask Cooper Teare how much his shoes helped him in the 5k, there was a multiple page thread saying it was an inappropriate question and that I had to be on the spectrum.

It is bizarre how you obsess over the new spikes. You credit everything to the spikes when an athlete PRs. Yet in this case you are willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Why?

The RoJo opinion piece should be edited to replace "beforehand" with "afterward" here...

"How does one come up with a detailed food log of what they ate a month beforehand? "

^disregard... not technically incorrect.. just ambiguous phrasing. "Beforehand" refers to timing of prior consumption, not timing of creation of an after-the-fact log.

briswiss wrote:

Well this is fairly obvious so I don’t get why you have your head in the sand. Shelby claims to have this detailed food log so why wouldn’t she look into any of her supplements could have been tainted? If they had, she would have used that as her excuse. I don’t think it would have gotten her off but her story would at least be believable to the public and she didn’t get off with he BS story anyways

You're assuming she would willingly share if she was taking something illegal (like testosterone/a designer drug)? No. My point is not that she took some supposedly legal supplement, but she was doping with something undetectable that whoops got detected.

Just lucky it wasn't Chinese Food? Or they might have been "EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL" to over a billion folks from a hostile nuclear-armed country? Blaming a style of cuisine isn't blaming people.

John_James_413 wrote:

Also trying to blame this on a mexican food truck is EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL to Mexico.

That's some bull crap!

Ernest wrote:

^disregard... not technically incorrect.. just ambiguous phrasing. "Beforehand" refers to timing of prior consumption, not timing of creation of an after-the-fact log.

^^^ This ^^^

Both would work just fine.

devin wrote:

Basically what I got from this article was that JG knew about the positive test but didn’t publish it. Why? That looks suspicious for favoritism honestly.

More lies from the Houlihan camp. Why not tell the truth for once. That goes for Jerry too.

Positive tests for a BTC athlete just don't count.

Shalane wearing cheater shoes at the 2016 OT is perfectly ok.

rojo wrote:

High hopes wrote:

1. For T&F journalists - Do you think you can report on your subjects impartially? If so, why has it taken a week for any publication to even start questioning the account put forward by the BTC team? .

When I had the gall to ask Cooper Teare how much his shoes helped him in the 5k, there was a multiple page thread saying it was an inappropriate question and that I had to be on the spectrum.

Aren’t you, though?

I am Sam wrote:

That article was painful reading. Really.

I have criticised your so called journalism , but you continue to outdo yourself

Rojo, a REAL journalist would go look for this food truck, you are close to Portland now, and interview the owner. Is that too hard for you to do?

quote post wrote:

rojo wrote:

When I had the gall to ask Cooper Teare how much his shoes helped him in the 5k, there was a multiple page thread saying it was an inappropriate question and that I had to be on the spectrum.

Aren’t you, though?

Serious question, the kind a journalist would ask

It's a lie because if you were a professional runner & medal favourite for the Olympics in a few months time, you wouldn't dream of eating food from a dodgy van.

That's a whole lot more than 16 questions

The number of questions just here obscures the fact that the appeal was exhausted.She is banned. We’ve lost the context because we never heard of the initial positive. The questions now should focus on:

- Who oversees the training and diet of the US’s top distance medal prospect?

Is this a broader problem with the top team?

Why do people think USADA will clear US runners?

It’s great that people care about shoes and records but this is of similar importance.

Now that she's suspected of testing positive, is she still in the testing pool? Or could she use the next four years to eat as many pork burritos as humanly possible and train like a beast and come back world class?

quote post wrote:

rojo wrote:

When I had the gall to ask Cooper Teare how much his shoes helped him in the 5k, there was a multiple page thread saying it was an inappropriate question and that I had to be on the spectrum.

Aren’t you, though?

He is and shouldn't be ashamed by it. Look at Carl Nassib and be honest and open with what you are Rojo.

rojo wrote:

I've had a week plus to think about everything and I realize there's a lot I want answered - from a lot of different people. Let me know if I missed anything.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/06/16-questions-that-need-to-be-answered-in-the-shelby-houlihan-case/

#17 Why has letsrun who has been a very strong anti doping activist in the sport been so quick to defend Shelby here, in what seems at best to be a sloppy defense. This and the repeated defenses of Paula who most people in the sport think was pretty clearly doping really call into question your true commitment to anti-doping or whether you are just being opportunistic when calling out the doper won't cause issues for you.

I have yet to see any credible expert provide any analysis into this that would lead any reasonable person to think this was really a case of contamination. The most damning to me is that this test happened during the USADA testing blackout which would indicate athletes thought they were extremely unlikely to be tested.

The defense by Jerry he had never heard of the drug is total BS. I have only been tested a couple of times in my career and was never good enough to be in the pool and I've heard of the drug. The reason people have not heard of it is that they are not calling it DECA which is the common name for the drug. They are intentionally using the drug name which it is less commonly known by because if they said it was DECA everyone would know this is a common doping drug and this whole meat contamination BS would be blown up as absurd on its face.

+1 excellent analogy