is JAKOB INGEBRIGTSEN going to break the mile/3k/5k world records in his career?

More interesting Q: who wins a 5000 right now, Jakob or Rhonex? Obviously anything above 5K Rhonex slaughters him.

birdbeard wrote:

More interesting Q: who wins a 5000 right now, Jakob or Rhonex? Obviously anything above 5K Rhonex slaughters him.

Why is that interesting? Both are not in the top 5 at 5000m, Jakob barely in top 10, benefit from the 3 max per country in championships.

Oh Please wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

That light wave thing. I had that concept in my mind a long time ago (10-15 years ago, maybe more) and drew up some specs for it but never developed it all the way. Dang it!

The idea and implementation of something like that has been around way more than 10 or 15 years ago. For instance, greyhound racing. Granted it's a rabbit (why do you think we call them rabbits?) and not lights, but same idea. Something to chase that is dependable.

The idea of a rabbit has been around for ever I'm sure but not the implementation like they did it. This just came to marked recently I think.

jakob pb 13:02 is run in a tactical race (1x in tactical race in DL and 1x crazy weather in Doha ..), people wake up, Jakob ran only 2 races in 5km, lost only 0.2 with 12.4x boy , potential is 12.4x ez for Jakob. he is still more than 1500 than 5000

Starno wrote:

Abeneziel wrote:

gimme a break wrote:

And who are these 5 Ethiopians who could beat him in a 3k? I think anyone would acknowledge after yesterday’s run he could run 7:30 (equivalent conversion in a time trial and he’s arguably a better runner at 3k/5k than 1500m/2k) - let’s hear your list of names.

The same ethiopians that smoke him on a regular basis in the 5000m

Mukthar Edriss, the two time 5000 WC

Selemon Barega, vice 5 000 world champion and as young as Jakob

Yomif Kejelcha, vice 10000m world champion

Hagos Gebriwhet, who has beaten Ingebrigsten and run much faster

Telahun Bekele, who is faster than him

The field at 3 000/5000 is too strong for Ingebrigsten. He has a better chance at 1500 because the field is weaker currently.

He can also petition for creating a custom event like the 2 000m or the 2150m that would suit him better.

These guys aren't going to be much better.

Jakob will.

Why are you so sure? Jakob has been training just as hard from a younger age as those guys. I hope Barega, Kejelcha and Jakob have a great rivalry in the future, but Barega is so much faster right now and Kejelcha is so much more seasoned that Jakob has a lot of work to do if he wants to get on that level.

I do disagree with Gebriwhet being better. I think he's on the decline. We'll see. Edris is a weird runner too, more of a Farah type--fast and suited for championship races. Telahun is more of a 5/10K guy, not a 3K guy. I think I'd take Jakob in a 3K vs. Bekele, but Bekele at 5K and up

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I think that Jakob will break all current WR´s from 1500m to 10000m provided he continues his well balanced, wellproven mainly aerobic training. And barring severe illness or injury.

He is not going to peak soon. On the contrary he will continue to put new layers on his aerobic foundation for many more years. Which will result in improved times on the the above track distances for at least 4-5 more years.

I think that his 2000m last week indicates that he is already one level up from last year.

I predict that he this year can go 2-3 seconds faster in the 1500m, well under 7:30 in the 3000m and under 12:50 in the 5000m if he joins some fast races under good conditions, including fast and stable pacemaking.

I agree. I hope Monaco can take place as planned on August 14th. If so, and if Tim doesn't slow it down again, then I can see both running 3;27.

This will likely be the only year in which Jakob will be competing with another runner over 1500 as best in the world. Next year he will likely be a second or two quicker than Tim and far ahead of anyone else. I hope we get to see them race several times this summer.

Daniels. wrote:

Im guessing yes....unless injury.

I'm going to have to say no. And i'm trying to be as nice as possible. He's not myostatin deficient.

You can only break a WR if you're myostatin deficient.

But overall a really good effort from him so far. A for effort.

lusin wrote:

He won't even break the clean records (3:26.69, 7:25.02, and 12:46.53 fyi).

The BroJos need to test posters before they post while drunk or high on drugs.

Coevett wrote:

I agree. I hope Monaco can take place as planned on August 14th. If so, and if Tim doesn't slow it down again, then I can see both running 3;27.

This will likely be the only year in which Jakob will be competing with another runner over 1500 as best in the world. Next year he will likely be a second or two quicker than Tim and far ahead of anyone else. I hope we get to see them race several times this summer.

How about if Cheruiyot does slow it down?

Are you saying Jakob can never win a race with Cheruiyot in it because Cheruiyot dictates the race and Jakob just follows?

How can Jakob run 3:27 and win if he has to follow Cheruiyot the whole time every race?

How are you expecting Jakob to be the fastest in the world and beat every athlete by 1-2 seconds if you think he also needs Cheruiyot to hold his hand?

Please explain.

Those who say Jakob has issues at certain top speeds - he's only 19. We'll continue to see his development in that department.

Those who call into question whether Jakob could be doping - maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but his father's attitude is like that of a Norwegian Al Sal. He's the type of father that says, "you WILL win, and I'M going to figure out HOW." He has a very militant way of expressing his obsessive competitiveness.

Also, Kipruto's 26:24 is not just the equivalent of Bekele's track 26:17, but probably better.

cbenson4 wrote:

Those who say Jakob has issues at certain top speeds - he's only 19. We'll continue to see his development in that department.

Those who call into question whether Jakob could be doping - maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but his father's attitude is like that of a Norwegian Al Sal. He's the type of father that says, "you WILL win, and I'M going to figure out HOW." He has a very militant way of expressing his obsessive competitiveness.

Also, Kipruto's 26:24 is not just the equivalent of Bekele's track 26:17, but probably better.

Being only 19 has nothing to do with it. And again i'm trying to be as nice as possible here.

He won't really improve on his times in the next 20 years. He is basically maxxed out.

It's a well known law that you can't set a WR without being myostatin deficient. He's not myostatin deficient so this goes against that current law.

Therefore I just don't see how this is going to be possible for him.

Only certain people are allowed to be myostatin deficient. And he's not one of them.

Again i'm trying to say this in the nicest possible way.

And again A for effort.

Yes, but legal drugs!

[quote]basic speed observer wrote:

Norwegian government-owned broadcasting corporation NRK published the list of drugs taken to PyeongChang by the Norwegian team doctor. It includes 1,800 doses of Symbicort, 1,200 doses of Atrovent, 1,200 doses of Alvesco, 360 doses of Ventolin and 1,200 doses of Airomir

Yes, legal drugs!

What are you blathering about? Tim probably has an edge in finishing kick still, so he might slow it down again as he did last year. In which case, neither will run 3;27 obviously. It's unlikely Jakob will lead from the front this year, but he might lead Tim next year if he"s established superiority and is chasing a fast time.

Tim has the right not to pace a fast race, but there should be an incentive given to run a fast time as that is what both the fans and most of the runners want at Monaco.

There is also this thing about the sport being on its knees and an obligation to please the fans. Tim skipping Bislett every year shows he doesn't really care about that.

Shortsighted.

If the organizers had offered a $10,000 bonus to anyone breaking 3:30, both Tim and Jakob would have done so last year.

It has to be seen if Timothy can replicate his excellent shape from the last seasons. He didn´t look good last week even when taking altitude, bad weather and the longer distance into consideration.

I think that Jakob might be ready to go close to Timothy´s PB (3:28.4 1) after 2 more months of training (sharpening). But will Timothy be ready? If not he might be dethroned already in this season.

Monaco 2019: After rewatching the race video (a version with English commentary) carefully I must say that Timothy is running in a strange way:

He is running past the very experienced pacemaker Bram Som who is - as far as I can see - running at the (quite fast) pace he is scheduled to. The second pacemaker is therefore forced to speed up to run past Bram Som and Timothy herself. Eventually when the last pacemaker has left Timothy slows down so the whole field almost run him down. That is not good sportsmanship!

If Timothy wanted to run a tactical race abstaining from his usual frontrunning he shouldn´t have disturbed the pacemaking letting his competitors try to do the work he usually does.

His actual behaviour was in my eyes a kind of obstruction (using a term from Soccer).

See the race video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g42eHTBHoV0

I like Timothy but perhaps not so much his trainer. And I don´t hope Timothy later will regret he did not go all in Monaco 2019. You never know when you will peak so you should use all possibilites you get to run fast.

Cheruiyot also passed the pacers up to keep the pace honest. Watch the race again with 500 to go and watch everyone slow down. Any of those guys could have surged to get in a good position in front and not stay boxed in, Jakob tries to do that with 420m or so to go and gets out kicked. And Cheruiyot DID go under 3.30. I get that Monaco is traditionally the race of the track season where runners, especially in the 1500, get after fast times. But Timothy ran 3:28 in Lausanne the week before and Jakob couldn’t hang with the pace. Watch the Doha race again, Jakob doesn’t try to move up with mahkloufi and centro and they all sit back and wait for kwemoi to fall off. Look at the pack he’s in: Mahkloufi, Lewandowski, Jakob Wightman, Kerr, and Centro. All of those guys besides Centrowitz and ingebrigsten are 800/1500 guys. He needs to use his endurance and push the pace. He can’t sit back with a bunch of 800 guys and expect to outkick them.

What are you blathering about?

Cheruiyot ran 3:28 in Lausanne leading the final 500m and Jakob didn't follow. It is up to Jakob to run fast times, not Cheruiyot. This sport is about individuals racing not boring time trials like that Oslo rubbish.

If you think Jakob is going to beat Cheruiyot, but Cheruiyot has the better kick, then how is Jakob going to beat him and run 3:27 whilst also using Cheruiyot as a pacemaker?

I don't understand in your fantasy world how Jakob runs 3:27 and beats Cheruiyot if Jakob is unable to take the pace on himself?

Maybe you think someone else will pace Jakob to 1400m and ceremoniously drop out to allow him to claim the glory?

In Monaco Cheruiyot lead around 1000m of the race. He still won in under 3:30.

The sport is not dying because Jakob can't run under 3:30, grow up.

Lolol at this lunacy regarding Monaco 2019. Tim's focus all season long was preparing himself to be able to win his first World Championship - something he accomplished magnificently. Practicing different tactics helped him overcome some weaknesses from prior years. He is under no obligation to pace the field in any race. If other runners aren't happy with the pace being run they can put on their big boy pants and do some of the work.

I agree with this completely. And this is what I've said, with experience Jakob will learn to take on the pace and run fast times and win races.

But Coevett seems to want to blame a Kenyan for everything.

Jakob not running under 3:30, European teenagers not taking up athletics, the sport not making any money. Just ridiculous.

Jakob is an adult. He can learn from his mistakes and improve. I am sure he is not blaming others for why he hasn't won races.