Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

How DARE you call me a troll...I am a registered user UNLIKE yourself. I am giving my opinion on this matter just as you are allowed.

Total garbage and you know darn well I was out there 5-6 days. You read all my reports and abused most of them. How the hell is 5 days and 6 miles the same?

Anyway, you're just about the only person in the world who thinks his 105HRs are due to him being amazingly fit and brilliant. You're on your own there, as everyone else who supports him goes for tech fail.

Enjoy the fortress of solitude.

Again...troll? Really? Am I not allowed to have an opinion? If you don't want opposing opinions to you, then create your own fanclub page and make it private. If stating my opinion on this matter is trolling, then you are a troll as well...

In those 5 days, how much did you run with him? How much of it did you witness his heartrate? Did you have your fingers on his wrist or something?? How do you know those high HRs during your visit aren't the wrong data points? You are not a forensic analyst.

My 6 miles of actually running with him, talking with him, and witnessing it first hand is just as valid as you sitting in a car for 5-6 days, except for those moments when you were talking with the crew and calling them frauds or walking a brief time with WG and talking about the passing of both of your Moms. The funny part of those videos that you decided to delete was that fact that you were commenting how real this run was and that WG himself was running every mile. Now that they're deleted and that doesn't fit your narrative, you have chosen to omit those statements...but LR people sure posted about it.

withdrew trolling.

what's wrong with me saying he did it all when I was there? that's not the issue!!

only loosely read the thread and am not sure i ever saw the term red herring thrown around before i used it. if you are noticing that term more than most, it might be because your trollbot replies are being called red herrings frequently and you should look into why that is.

your run, and Rocco Madonna's run, are red herrings because you are using a very small portion of the day and extrapolating that to cover the entire day and deeming that there isn't anything suspicious over the entire day and thus the entire run. that is not true because it has been known since the beginning that the twinning was suspected to occur in very discrete segments and that running with WG had to be coordinated.

you similarly cannot extrapolate that because you ran 10% of one day and it was clean that because WC monitored for 10% of the entire run that those are equivalent. you can run 6 miles with WG every single day and RB can twin 54 miles every single day. and you would deem it to be a clean attempt, when, obvious to most people who aren't WG trolls, it is not.

Thank you for the word retraction.

Well, part of your premise was that he was not actually doing all the running. For quite some time, your opinion was that this is fraud, in some way, because his HR were too low/not clean from your perspective. Now, you're adding in the negative split and 8k splits are the next theory. You have, wisely I might say, minimizes your personal theory as to how you think he is "faking" this journey. You are probably concerned about a slander lawsuit from a United States court. So, you keep throwing new stats to support your opinions. That is your right. Just as it is my right to continue to throw shade on those opinions just because you haven't seen historical evidence to prove you wrong. Just more and more doubt stats thrown on the fire.
As "spirited" of a debate as this has been amongst the LR and FB feeds, my guess is that they (WG, RB and team) will fully and completely ignore your opinions. This will further enrage you and the others in your camp. But, those that are inspired will remain inspired...those that donate to fight cancer will continue to donate...those that don't care about your circular statistics will continue to not care.

Well, dang, thank you so much for the education. My inference to my 10% of a day and WC's 10% of the run have the exact same logical fallacy attached. It is my opinion that WG is running...it is WC's opinion that he is doing this in some fraudulent way.

Show me the logic behind the twinning theory...WC has stated that no one in history other than WG and RB have run TCs or other multi day runs will this low of HR. Others have contradicted that with their own examples. So, it is your premise that amongst this crew, there are at least one other runner that has the same low HR for LONG distances, can mimic WG's cadence, stride and all the other stats that are registered on Strava. Oh, and when Whoop does their analysis, there won't be any anomalies in all of the biometrics they track...since the "twin" has the exact same markers?

Come on...there are so many "logical fallacies" in that theory it isn't even funny.

i don't claim to know how twinning works in practice as i'm not a twinner. if they are twinning, it seems to be a novel method, except for that it seems highly similar to Paulson (both wearing face-coverings to run in perfect weather. you haven't answered why anyone does that? real people do not).

which is why we need someone to monitor virtually the entire run or to have the crew be more transparent and track with tech that is carried on the person and doesn't "tech fail."

i am hoping Boots on the Ground shows up and doesn't have rock thrown at him when he tries to get too close to the face-covering.

WG just posted his kit for tomorrow

Image:content.instructables.com/F7A/ZIQK/GUM...

Haha, while I don't agree with the theory, that is a funny picture :) See, this is how normal human discourse can work :)

I hope someone does go and monitor. But, I hope they do it with an objective stance to observe and see if he is, in fact doing it...or if there is proof that he isn't.

Novel method and logical method might be two very different things.

As to the head coverings, I don't have an answer for that. I know that when I am out on hot afternoon runs, which is pretty infrequent, I may wear something to cover my neck and ears. But, what I do know is that when I ran with him, we talked about sunburns and he said his biggest worry is getting burned on the head and face. As you might have seen on his IG stories a couple of days ago, he has had nasty sun blisters on his lips for much of the run. That could, possibly be part of the reason to cover the face. Not my opinion...just a possibility.

See, the difference between you and me, kid, is that I read that and my mind immediately thinks he is telling you that so you post it on LRC and now his face coverings are justified by a third party on the internets.

Earlier in the thread he was wearing face covering because of a "vicious headwind." Now he's covering his face because of sunburns.

Nobody runs with face coverings. It is silly. Imagine trying to breath through that shirt in the heat and humidity in May.

Then he goes shirtless. Running shirtless in the sun with the most amount of your body exposed (except your face) to UV is considered anti-cancer or pro-cancer on a fight cancer run? I'm super confused.

Head coverings + very timely "tech fails" is all you'd need to succeed at twinning in an event like this.

As we've learned from grifters since time immemorial, the best scams are the simplest. Remember when Lance said the best trick to beating the testers was to go out the back door when they came to the front door!?

Most importantly, thanks for calling me kid :) I like to think I'm young at heart as a 50 yr old :)

My mind doesn't go there. Based on some of the theories on LR, let's put them aside for a split second. If you are 32 miles into a run and 2000 miles in total into that run, do you really think he is going to have the devious mind to think "well, let's tell the next unexpecting running tag-a-along that I cover my head for sunburns. I bet he'll post that on social media and give me a great cover for our super secret diabolical plan of making the world believe I'm doing all the running...bwaahaha!" (said with a deviously evil voice). I still am seeing the good in people and not instantly going to the conspiracy thoughts. Being that I am still a kid, I hope I never have my mind instantly go there.

Show me another person on that crew that has his build? RB doesn't have those muscles...the guy with the long hair doesn't have that build. There goes the twinning theory...

…:but you come across like a 13 year old girl making claim to a hairbrush that a classmate took off your desk, girlfriend

The condescension really helps in hiding your bias and giving strength to claims with no hard evidence, also can confirm that "red herring" has been thrown around pretty repeatedly on this topic.

You know you have no credibility, yes?

And if it is legit, you can prove it very simply in a few lines. You more you write, the more you obfuscate, the more you damage your credibility.

Will, as the accuser, is allowed to use lots of words to build a case. As defender, if you can't defend consicely and simply, as a rule, you are ducked.

As of this morning WG had 600 miles left to reach NYC (and another X number of miles before he hits the waters of the Atlantic Ocean if he plans on calling it a transcon. Otherwise it's just a US crossing). Current projections would have him finishing under Tullohs time but behind Lees as far as Englishmen go. An all time top 10? Who knows really? If he knows to whom and how to submit his information he will get his name on the list of crossers along with about 450 others. The list keeper may or may not bother to verify the information. Doubtful they look at 80 pages of a LR message board. If a person is poor before they start they will be poor after. If they were wealthy before they start they will be wealthy after. There is no pot of gold at the end of this rainbow. In time the best you can hope for is that you don't think about it constantly. If you didn't take the time out there to transform in some way then you missed the opportunity of a lifetime. Luck and faith have as much to finishing one of these things as pace and HR. Probably moreso. The universe tends to sort everything out in time.

no credibility, yes? Double negative with a positive? Alrighty then. As to whether or not I have credibility, I could really care less. But, what I do care about is not trying to tear people down with a bunch of opinions and mass-quantities of numbers slinging. I'm not on here trying to gain notoriety, or in the hopes of writing a big article, or Netflix conspiracy show.

Love the 25 cent word with obfuscate. Nice touch

If you are trying to use legal analogies, then why don't you start with the main one that makes a democracy: innocent unless proven guilty. Is that concise enough for you?

These are the photos they released. Of WG with face covered. OF COURSE THEYRE NOT GOING TO RELEASE A PHOTO OF ROBBIE OR ANYONE ELSE IN THE CREW WITH HIS FACE COVERED. How about people just going past a man with face covered, not taking photos, not measuring him? They're not applying that scrutiny, but if that isn't WG running, they can't take that chance.

Him covering his face makes NO SENSE. Not for anti-cancer. Baseball players stand in the outfield for hours. WG would have the sun to his back as soon as it got really intense. Full sunblock exists. It makes no sense athletically. You surely can see that.

What does it make sense for?

Come on man, you said you were a good defense lawyer.