"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Um, no, Biden will not touch me or anyone in my family anywhere. What? No.

Biden has already destroyed your brain so...

Lucky you, never had one to be destroyed in the first place...

qh wrote:

Harambe wrote:

With Biden forcing everyone to get the vaccine, I don't need to be convincing, I get to just flame morons.

Ah, the simple life.

Biden will not force everyone to get the vaccine.

In the meantime, the Harambes of this world are celebrating traumatizing children and creating segregation.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/09/16/this-is-the-america-you-want-to-live-in-white-man-kicks-black-family-out-of-ny-restaurant-for-not-having-their-vaccine-papers-watch/

Disclaimer: I don't believe that is a racial issue but a covidiots vs unvaccinated issue.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Your explanation is just your opinion, a bad one. Why do I have to trust your opinion when all of your ideas and opinions have been bad ones or just wrong? That would be dumb of anyone to believe what YOU say rather than form their own opinions. Sheesh, the vax is great, why do you keep saying that it is bad. It just should not be forced onto the entire population; this is a very dumb and counter productive idea. I would think you have a bit more logic in that head than that, but I guess you do not.

It's not my opinion, it's what the data supports.

There are differential infection rates: the vax protects against initial infection.

There are differential clearance rates: the vax makes people clear the infection faster.

Both of these limit transmission!

We don't have a lot of direct observational data on transmissions -- that kind of research is hard to do! There's a few papers though. Here's one from China that shows being exposed to an index case with 0 or 1 doses of the vaccine gives you a 2-6x greater change at infection yourself:

I.e. you're more likely to get COVID from an unvaxxed index case!

We definitely need more research but multiple lines of evidence support that vaccination prevents transmission, even with the delta strain.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Um, no, Biden will not touch me or anyone in my family anywhere. What? No.

Almost certainly he will personally sniff your hair and the inject with you experimental mRNA. Sorry dude

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Um, no, Biden will not touch me or anyone in my family anywhere. What? No.

Almost certainly he will personally sniff your hair and the inject with you experimental mRNA. Sorry dude

Only if Lead Foil Hat is a minor.

UnvaccinatedGenius wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Almost certainly he will personally sniff your hair and the inject with you experimental mRNA. Sorry dude

Only if Lead Foil Hat is a minor.

Based on critical thinking skills and implied prefrontal cortex development I would expect LFH is at risk.

No, you think the data supports your point of view. I do not. Again, you keep posing your opinion as some sort of fact. You really need to brush up on some basic scientific concepts. Your interpretation of all of the data out there is just that, an opinion or maybe your hypothesis.....not a fact or anywhere near it. How much faster does the vaccine make young people clear a virus they already clear quickly? Slight differences in some clearance rates does not mean they are substantial enough to make any significant difference nor justify mass vaccination of non-vulnerable people. This is insane, I think you are insane.

In an exponentially growing system, relatively small changes to transmission rates can have large effects on growth rate.

Also, yes, everyone's interpretation of data is just opinions. Does that mean I have to hold your interpretations equal to those of experts? Of course not.

That's not a compelling answer. You need to argue that the data I've presented (less chance of infection from a vaxed close contact vs. unvaxed) doesn't mean transmission is less likely. Just saying it's my opinion doesn't change the direction of the evidence.

The classic "I need PROOF" argument.

Proof doesn't exist- only stronger and stronger support of hypotheses.

Thanks to Harambe for providing actual data.

Thanks to LFH for showing how little (i.e. none) data his arguments have in support.

No data coming out of China on this is credible. We are no longer in an exponentially growing system, yo udo understand this don't you? All region case and death curves are running flat. Just think for one moment, long enough to realize you are wrong.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

No data coming out of China on this is credible. We are no longer in an exponentially growing system, yo udo understand this don't you? All region case and death curves are running flat. Just think for one moment, long enough to realize you are wrong.

The paper is very measure in it's conclusions. Vaxxed people still transmist, just not as much. I agree that a single paper is far from conclusive in such muddy scientific territory, but it's interest that you just flat out dismiss it because it doesn't say what you want.

Wouldn't it be good if the vax prevented a lot of transmission?

Yes, it is good that R_t has fall in the US. The bump in immunity from additional vaccinations and, tragically, lots of additional infections has slowed the Delta wave.

The point I was mkaing is more general: a seemingly small effect on transmission (vaccines are not a small effect, though!) can have huge payoff, especially when R_t is near 1 as it often is in the USA. Breaking exponential chains of transmission is huge.

"Can" is not strong enough of a word to justify forced mass vaccination of children. It is just delusional over confidence. The same type of over confidence that led to this pandemic in the first place.

The paper is very measure in it's conclusions. Vaxxed people still transmist.

The period goes right there. The sentence is over. Hip Hip and his legion of bloodsucking hypocrites only need to read those 4 words. The rest is all blah blah blah spin to somehow feel like you have a reason to force ably stick kids and anyone else. A reason to discriminate and cause such ugliness in the World. The sentence is over.

Vaxxed people spread. 3 words, even bro can read that. You have no proof and no data that vaxxed spread any less than others and it would not matter if they did. You are causing trouble because nobody likes you. And you know it.

^ obviously directed at Hip Hip, not Lead Hat. These people thinking like them are the worst kind of trash causing the hate in this World.

The old, “I’m better than you even though I still leak just not as much so I’m better so you must force a needle in your kids arm or there are consequences. They must be like me”. Bloodsuckers.

Noyankee wrote:

The paper is very measure in it's conclusions. Vaxxed people still transmist.

The period goes right there. The sentence is over. Hip Hip and his legion of bloodsucking hypocrites only need to read those 4 words. The rest is all blah blah blah spin to somehow feel like you have a reason to force ably stick kids and anyone else. A reason to discriminate and cause such ugliness in the World. The sentence is over.

Vaxxed people spread. 3 words, even bro can read that. You have no proof and no data that vaxxed spread any less than others and it would not matter if they did. You are causing trouble because nobody likes you. And you know it.

I wish the world was fully of easy answers easily understood by people on the left side of the IQ curve (such as yourself). It's not. We need to think critically about all the data we can get and make decisions with incomplete information.

I have plenty of data throughout this thread demonstrating that vaxxed spread spread less. I am sorry that you either 1) don't want to believe it or 2) are too dumb to comprehend. I am happy to hand hold you through the data if you ask nicely :)

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

"Can" is not strong enough of a word to justify forced mass vaccination of children. It is just delusional over confidence. The same type of over confidence that led to this pandemic in the first place.

The data on prevent transmissions -when coupled with- all the other data on how COVID is actually bad and many kids struggle with infection for a while, etc, supports it. There are several lines of evidence.

The problem you have is that the vaccine is incredibly safe. If the vaccine were not already tested in a billion people you would have more ground to stand on. And we are even running full trials in children to get the best possible data. If that comes back all-clear, schools are going to mandate it.

You should be more worried about Biden. He is coming.

Harambe wrote:

You should be more worried about Biden. He is coming.

On your face and in your rear.

Dude, you do realize that the only claim, with little evidence, in this paper is that inactivated virus vaccines slightly reduce transmission?? You do realize that I have been arguing for normal vaccine options in the US because the mRNA vaxes are sketchy and barely work and pose huge risks with too many unknowns. There is no evidence that mRNA vaxes reduce transmission rates in normal healthy people and hence no real justification for forcing people into isolation and poverty and robbing children of their education just because they do not want to get a sketchy new vaccine tech for a virus that poses almost ZERO risk to them. At this point you turds must just be trolling people. The fact that you have to challenge people's intelligence because they do not agree with your shoddy interpretations of shoddy results shows how shoddy you really are.

“And I knew exactly what to do. But in a much more real sense, I had no idea what to do.” – Michael Scott

I mean Harambe-Bro

Like I said, data for the Delta variant is minimal but we should have much more soon.

Obviously, there is tons of data pre-Delta showing substantial inhibition of transmission by the vaccines (I can repost, again).

Inactivated virus vaccines have generally performed more poorly than mRNAs. More breakthrough infections and less protection against severe disease. If they block transmission then it's good supporting evidence that the mRNA vacciens will against delta as well! This is good news!

The mRNA tech is not sketchy. You are one of the few people still terrified of it. It's biochemically simply, has a short halflife in the body, and is very well studied.

The only thing you can do is fearmonger about the antigen itself: the spike protein. Many other vaccines encode the spike protein in some way, as does the virus itself (shocker). Basically, your line of attack on the vaccine is hilariously inconsistent. If the spike protein is SO DANGEROUS then you should be cowering in fear from COVID.

And yes, COVID poses a risk to children. It's hospitalizing them at 3x the rate of flu. If we had a flu vaccine that worked as well as the COVID one does, many schools would mandate it as well.

You can see the writing on the wall though. You know the vaccines work. You know its just a matter of time before that mandate comes for you.