Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Interesting study. It says IF you get COVID when vaccinated and are asymptomatic, you may have a higher viral load but there's a ton of overlap and small sample size for asymptomatic cases.
Don't forget vaccine still protects against getting that infection, and vaccinated people seem to clear infections faster.
I wouldn't say this preprint adds much new stuff. We know vaccinated breakthroughs have similar viral loads.
I would say that it does and you are just here being paid to hand wave it away. You are not an expert in anything other than arrogance, so your opinion is really meaningless. Your boy Bro has a bit more experience, but still too much of a newbie in the science world. Point being, your hand waving is not evidence of anything.
What did Harambe say that was wrong?
1) These data, as they say in the preprint, merely corroborate other studies. Nothing new. Symptomatic breakthrough infections having similar viral loads is not shocking... it's how viruses work. Symptoms come from high viral loads.
2) They don't assess viral clearance or likelihood or breakthrough infections at all. Other studies (see... this thread) show 4-10X faster clearance of similar viral loads in vaxxed people than unvaxxed. Furthermore, the likelihood of becoming symptomatic is far lower when you are vaccinated. We don't randomly test everyone daily so it's hard to assess how much lower but based on the VA (see page 58-59) it seems to be 8-12 fold protective of infection.
3) The asymptomatic testing population is extremely small (24 for unvax, and 11 for vax).
We really should have better data than we do. Every single test should go into a database. Symptoms, date of symptom onset, vax status, etc.
I know you, oddly, want the vaccines to fail but they very clearly are still working, even against the much much more infectious variant. This preprint does nothing contradict that.