Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

In a way, by attacking Fauci, you are defending Trump's total incompency and dishonesty with Covid !!

Maybe you're the one who is lying? What other experts were saying 'years'? And maybe Fauci was saying up to 18 months because that's how long it sometimes takes to test the safety and efficacy of a vaccine.

You claimed, very confidently I might add, that the 'experts' said it would take years to get a vaccine. I haven't found any evidence of that, so it looks like that's a figment of your fertile imagination.

Granted, the only expert I've looked at is Fauci, but in retrospect Fauci was pretty accurate with his timeline of when a vaccine would be available. Initially, he was understandably cautious, but mostly he said a vaccine would be available in early 2021 or maybe even December 2020. Which is EXACTLY when a vaccine became available here.

Here's the earliest prediction from Fauci that I could find - from March 3, 2020. Again, he said it would take at least 12 to 18 months. It ended up taking about 10 months from that date, so he was off by about 2 months. Not bad for a prediction given in the earliest days of the virus outbreak here, when so much was unknown.

Sally Vix wrote:

Again, why does Fauci even have a job now? If the vaccines were already conjured up in early 2020, why the F is he telling us at least a year but more likely a year-and-a-half? Why does he have a job if he was lying to us???

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/fauci-vaccine-least-year-away-covid-19-death-toll-rises-9-seattle

Do you understand that vaccines are extensively tested before they are made available to the public?

Sally Vix wrote:

Again, why does Fauci even have a job now? If the vaccines were already conjured up in early 2020, why the F is he telling us at least a year but more likely a year-and-a-half? Why does he have a job if he was lying to us???

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/fauci-vaccine-least-year-away-covid-19-death-toll-rises-9-seattle

clearly, the truth was not known at the time. Fauci and no one else knew if the vaccines would work. So he didn't want to guarantee anything. Drugs fail in trials all the time.

That said...I think Fauci paid too much attention to managing expectations and not enough simply saying 'here's what could happen: We could have vaccines in November 2020, they could be in June 2021. We don't know'

Instead he tried to manage expectations though conservative estimates. Not ideal.

Okay you guys were insisting I was lying when I said experts said it would take years. Take a gander at this. One "expert" said that Fauci's estimate of 18 months was RIDICULOUSLY OPTIMISTIC. They all scoffed at Fauci's 18-month estimate. Again, didn't they know what Agip knew - that the vaccines had already been developed by early 2020? Why did they lie to us? Or should they lose their medical licenses by their incompetence.

Read this!:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/us/coronavirus-vaccine-timetable-concerns-experts-invs/index.html

johnny99 wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Again, why does Fauci even have a job now? If the vaccines were already conjured up in early 2020, why the F is he telling us at least a year but more likely a year-and-a-half? Why does he have a job if he was lying to us???

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/fauci-vaccine-least-year-away-covid-19-death-toll-rises-9-seattle

Do you understand that vaccines are extensively tested before they are made available to the public?

When you say "extensively tested" do you mean a few months?

And regardless of who, if anyone, gets credit, this Covid vaccine does seem to have been developed quickly.

This article from the early days of Covid quotes one guy as saying that Fauci's 12-18 month prediction was "ridiculously optimistic", and points out that it can take 15-20 years from inception to approval of a vaccine.

With the coronavirus, however, scientists apparently had a headstart since they had already been working on coronavirus vaccines.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-quest-18-months-fauci-experts-flag-dangers-testing-2020-4

Dr. Paul Offit, the co-inventor of the successful rotavirus vaccine, put it more bluntly.

"When Dr. Fauci said 12 to 18 months, I thought that was ridiculously optimistic," he told CNN. "And I'm sure he did, too."

Sally Vix wrote:

Okay you guys were insisting I was lying when I said experts said it would take years. Take a gander at this. One "expert" said that Fauci's estimate of 18 months was RIDICULOUSLY OPTIMISTIC. They all scoffed at Fauci's 18-month estimate. Again, didn't they know what Agip knew - that the vaccines had already been developed by early 2020? Why did they lie to us? Or should they lose their medical licenses by their incompetence.

Read this!:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/us/coronavirus-vaccine-timetable-concerns-experts-invs/index.html

You beat me to it.

You should point out that scientists had already been working on coronavirus vaccines before Covid hit, so they had a bit of a headstart. That no doubt contributed to the relatively quick development of a Covid vaccine.

Sally. Do you understand the deep irony in crediting a government run program for the the private market development of a vaccine?

Regardless, it was an effective way of funneling money to Moderna at least... less clear if it had any real impact re Pfizer. Overall, the 1.xB in funding Moderna took likely could have been sourced from elsewhere given the huge market opportunity.

What exactly are you trying to say? That these vaccines wouldn't exist unless warp speed happened? If so, not sure many people would agree with that statement.

Sally Vix wrote:

johnny99 wrote:

Do you understand that vaccines are extensively tested before they are made available to the public?

I'm not familiar with the details of vaccine testing, but you hear about Phase 1, and Phase 2 and Phase 3 testing, and testing done on thousands if not tens of thousands of people. All before enough data is accumulated to submit to the FDA for approval of the vaccine. Exactly how long this process takes, I don't know, but you made it seem like as soon as a vaccine is developed it goes public, without being tested at all.

When you say "extensively tested" do you mean a few months?

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Rs do hate them facts....

https://twitter.com/JakeLobin/status/1370192232045801474?s=20

this is misleading.

The Feds bought $2 bn of the vaccine, sight unseen, to allow PFE to keep working on it without fear of giant losses.

That was part of warp speed.

But PFE did not accept money to help do the research and testing.

So really, PFE was part of warp speed. Just less so than the others.

They bought it to secure some before other govs picked them all up. There is enough demand for more than 15 vaccines, no way Pfizer needed their preorder cash at all. There was never fear they weren't going to sell them in the end.

"Basement Biden" was a label put on him by people on the right and it stuck. I don't know what his schedule was during the campaign, but his potential voters were not going to pack into an arena for a rally during a pandemic so there was no point in scheduling them and at his age it made sense to keep him somewhat isolated.

Meanwhile Trump's rallies did him no good. There weren't swing voters in his audiences being swayed by his rhetoric. By playing so hard to his base and grossly mishandling the pandemic, Trump did Biden's job for him and it would have been foolish to get in his way.

highhoppingworm wrote:

Sally. Do you understand the deep irony in crediting a government run program for the the private market development of a vaccine?

Regardless, it was an effective way of funneling money to Moderna at least... less clear if it had any real impact re Pfizer. Overall, the 1.xB in funding Moderna took likely could have been sourced from elsewhere given the huge market opportunity.

What exactly are you trying to say? That these vaccines wouldn't exist unless warp speed happened? If so, not sure many people would agree with that statement.

He's trying to say trump did a great job with COVID, which of course is just a big fat lie.

Correct and that is why I mock these fools. Rigged and these other morons were convinced that crowd size at trailer trash rallies was the ultimate indicator. Basement biden gave fat boy the beating of his miserable life.

johnny99 wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

I'm not familiar with the details of vaccine testing, but you hear about Phase 1, and Phase 2 and Phase 3 testing, and testing done on thousands if not tens of thousands of people. All before enough data is accumulated to submit to the FDA for approval of the vaccine. Exactly how long this process takes, I don't know, but you made it seem like as soon as a vaccine is developed it goes public, without being tested at all.

When you say "extensively tested" do you mean a few months?

Some of the primary reasons that vaccine development and trials can take years are:

1) Phase 3 trials involve vaccinating half the group and then waiting until a sufficiently large (100+) number of the participants contract the disease. In the case of chickenpox, no one can seriously expect babies to get chickenpox within months of enrolling in the trial. It can take 10+ years for enough people to get sick.

2) Vaccines are intended to be 100% effective at keeping people from contracting the disease (and then spreading it) while preventing any side effects from the vaccine. The push from 95% effective to 100% takes a lot of time. However, since there is a coronavirus pandemic right now, the powers that be decided that a vaccine that is (so far) 100% effective at prevent covid death is worth authorizing and distributing. If measles were killing thousands of Americans each day, you can bet that the vaccine would be delivered much sooner.

Is it really so difficult for people to understand that there are different types of vaccines and that some predictions refer to specific types of vaccine???

Sally Vix wrote:

If what Agip is saying is true, that all the groundwork had been done and only testing needed to be done, then why was Fauci saying up to 18 months?

"Up to 18 months" turned out to be true since 9 months (or whatever it turned out to be) is less than or equal to 18 months.

That a vaccine has been synthesized and is ready for trial did not guarantee that the trial would be successful.

The heros here are Emmanuelle Charpentier and Jennifer Doudna whose gene editing work made much of this possible as well as those whose work they built upon.

Your orange boy got creamed and Fauci is still the man. When will your butthurtness finally end? ??

Sally Vix wrote:

Again, why does Fauci even have a job now? If the vaccines were already conjured up in early 2020, why the F is he telling us at least a year but more likely a year-and-a-half? Why does he have a job if he was lying to us???

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/fauci-vaccine-least-year-away-covid-19-death-toll-rises-9-seattle

Ironic that trump has lied through his teeth since he was born and you voted for hin twice, now you have a problem with lying. Take that big fat loss you trump loving cretin ?