Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Calamity,

I know its been a very tough few months for you and Rigged and other diehard Trumpsters. You believed Trump when he kept telling you he would win. You were stunned that he didn't. Then you had to watch your fellow trumpsters attack our country's government. That was tough for you to defend and you had to say Trump has nothing to do with it. You had to ignore much.

Now you have to deal with Biden not only being very successful but being very popular. His approval ratings are at a level Trump could only dream about.

Tough for you but but be glad for the country.

Common sense. wrote:

Calamity,

I know its been a very tough few months for you and Rigged and other diehard Trumpsters. You believed Trump when he kept telling you he would win. You were stunned that he didn't. Then you had to watch your fellow trumpsters attack our country's government. That was tough for you to defend and you had to say Trump has nothing to do with it. You had to ignore much.

Now you have to deal with Biden not only being very successful but being very popular. His approval ratings are at a level Trump could only dream about.

Tough for you but but be glad for the country.

I am not a Trumpster. I find Trump a reprehensible person. Okay?

Proof that people committed suicide due to lost hope of a vaccine in that two-week period?

Actually, no it's not criminal (provide your source if you still want to claim otherwise) and I would say it was actually also very ethical and patriotic. By not helping trump and preventing him from taking credit for something he had no part in, they helped secure his loss which arguably saved tens if not hundreds of thousands of additional american lives that would have been lost with 4 more years of mr incompetent. Even if deliberate, they 100% did the right thing. You and orange man lose, america wins. Now stop being so sore.

Calamity Joe wrote:

Common sense. wrote:

Calamity,

I know its been a very tough few months for you and Rigged and other diehard Trumpsters. You believed Trump when he kept telling you he would win. You were stunned that he didn't. Then you had to watch your fellow trumpsters attack our country's government. That was tough for you to defend and you had to say Trump has nothing to do with it. You had to ignore much.

Now you have to deal with Biden not only being very successful but being very popular. His approval ratings are at a level Trump could only dream about.

Tough for you but but be glad for the country.

I am not a Trumpster. I find Trump a reprehensible person. Okay?

You are a trumper to the bone because all you want is for libs to get owned. You fit the definition perfectly.

Trollminator wrote:

Calamity Joe wrote:

I am not a Trumpster. I find Trump a reprehensible person. Okay?

You are a trumper to the bone because all you want is for libs to get owned. You fit the definition perfectly.

And not only have you defended him over the last 4 years and offered endless whataboutisms, you still went out and voted for him. You are a trumper and you should add Susan Collins to your long list of handles.

Rs do hate them facts....

https://twitter.com/JakeLobin/status/1370192232045801474?s=20

Trollminator wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

You are a trumper to the bone because all you want is for libs to get owned. You fit the definition perfectly.

And not only have you defended him over the last 4 years and offered endless whataboutisms, you still went out and voted for him. You are a trumper and you should add Susan Collins to your long list of handles.

His ability to deny reality proves he's a trumpster. At least that lie makes sense. It shows a wee bit of reasoning ability. Who in their right mine would ever admit to being a Trump supporter?

Trollminator wrote:

Rs do hate them facts....

https://twitter.com/JakeLobin/status/1370192232045801474?s=20

this is misleading.

The Feds bought $2 bn of the vaccine, sight unseen, to allow PFE to keep working on it without fear of giant losses.

That was part of warp speed.

But PFE did not accept money to help do the research and testing.

So really, PFE was part of warp speed. Just less so than the others.

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Rs do hate them facts....

https://twitter.com/JakeLobin/status/1370192232045801474?s=20

this is misleading.

The Feds bought $2 bn of the vaccine, sight unseen, to allow PFE to keep working on it without fear of giant losses.

That was part of warp speed.

But PFE did not accept money to help do the research and testing.

So really, PFE was part of warp speed. Just less so than the others.

The gymnastics you Libs are doing to not give Trump credit for spearheading Operation Warp Speed fascinates me. Here is the truth:. The "experts" said a vaccine would take years. Instead, Operation Warp Speed produced three vaccines in a matter of months. It was tantamount to announcing in March you will reach the moon and by November having a man walk on the moon. The "experts" were astonished. Give credit where the credit is due ... to Trump. You can hate him but he did us right with the vaccines.

Well, fortunately, we live in a country with a citizenry that EASILY and quickly saw his massive flaws.

....oh, wait, damn......

the vaccines were conjured into existence in around February 2020. The remaining 9 months were for testing, not the lab science. So sure OWS was helpful but don't think that it was more than it was.

agip wrote:

Calamity Joe wrote:

The gymnastics you Libs are doing to not give Trump credit for spearheading Operation Warp Speed fascinates me. Here is the truth:. The "experts" said a vaccine would take years. Instead, Operation Warp Speed produced three vaccines in a matter of months. It was tantamount to announcing in March you will reach the moon and by November having a man walk on the moon. The "experts" were astonished. Give credit where the credit is due ... to Trump. You can hate him but he did us right with the vaccines.

the vaccines were conjured into existence in around February 2020. The remaining 9 months were for testing, not the lab science. So sure OWS was helpful but don't think that it was more than it was.

point is, the vaccines existed before OWS.

So no, OWS did not create the vaccines.

OWS was a socialistic private/public partnership to ease the financial burdn on the private sector.

In a sea of amazingly bad things, this is one that I find particularly interesting and amazing. If Trump had stayed every bit as immoral and unethical as he was, BUT had mumbled unenthusiastic agreement with a handful of pandemic response recommendations last spring from the mass of expertise available to a POTUS - JUST that - he'd probably still be president. But he's really THAT incompetent.....and immoral and unethical, of course.

agip wrote:

Calamity Joe wrote:

The gymnastics you Libs are doing to not give Trump credit for spearheading Operation Warp Speed fascinates me. Here is the truth:. The "experts" said a vaccine would take years. Instead, Operation Warp Speed produced three vaccines in a matter of months. It was tantamount to announcing in March you will reach the moon and by November having a man walk on the moon. The "experts" were astonished. Give credit where the credit is due ... to Trump. You can hate him but he did us right with the vaccines.

the vaccines were conjured into existence in around February 2020. The remaining 9 months were for testing, not the lab science. So sure OWS was helpful but don't think that it was more than it was.

This article sure contradicts your allegation. It asserts that development began in March of last year. Please read the article. It was not testing that began in March.

But Hitler told his folks to build the autobahn!

Two words to look up: "Analogy," and (pretty damn) "Irrelevant."

Calamity Joe wrote:

agip wrote:

the vaccines were conjured into existence in around February 2020. The remaining 9 months were for testing, not the lab science. So sure OWS was helpful but don't think that it was more than it was.

This article sure contradicts your allegation. It asserts that development began in March of last year. Please read the article. It was not testing that began in March.

https://www.biospace.com/article/a-timeline-of-covid-19-vaccine-development/

dude, at least do a cut and paste if you say someone is wrong. You can't just paste a link to a big document.

Here:

You may be surprised to learn that of the trio of long-awaited coronavirus vaccines, the most promising, Moderna’s mRNA-1273, which reported a 94.5 percent efficacy rate on November 16, had been designed by January 13. This was just two days after the genetic sequence had been made public in an act of scientific and humanitarian generosity that resulted in China’s Yong-Zhen Zhang’s being temporarily forced out of his lab. In Massachusetts, the Moderna vaccine design took all of one weekend. It was completed before China had even acknowledged that the disease could be transmitted from human to human, more than a week before the first confirmed coronavirus case in the United States. By the time the first American death was announced a month later, the vaccine had already been manufactured and shipped to the National Institutes of Health for the beginning of its Phase I clinical trial. This is — as the country and the world are rightly celebrating — the fastest timeline of development in the history of vaccines. It also means that for the entire span of the pandemic in this country, which has already killed more than 250,000 Americans, we had the tools we needed to prevent it .

Calamity Joe wrote:

The gymnastics you Libs are doing to not give Trump credit for spearheading Operation Warp Speed fascinates me. Here is the truth:. The "experts" said a vaccine would take years. Instead, Operation Warp Speed produced three vaccines in a matter of months. It was tantamount to announcing in March you will reach the moon and by November having a man walk on the moon. The "experts" were astonished. Give credit where the credit is due ... to Trump. You can hate him but he did us right with the vaccines.

I don't think that's the truth. I haven't found any expert who said it would take years to get a vaccine, as you claim.

It took me about 30 seconds online to find the following article from July, 2020 where Dr. Fauci says that a vaccine would be widely available a few months into 2021. The experts weren't saying it would take years, as you claim. In fact, in this case, Dr. Fauci seems to have been pretty accurate with his prediction of when the vaccine would be available.

In May, 2020, Dr. Fauci said we could have a vaccine by December, 2020 or January, 2021. He was dead on accurate.

In April, 2020, Dr. Fauci said it was possible that the vaccine would be available by early 2021.

I haven't found anything close to your claim that the experts said it would take years for a vaccine to be developed. The closest I've found is this article from April 1, 2020 where Dr. Fauci said it would take at least 12 to 18 months. Note that this was less than a month after the virus really took off here and that, as time passed, he became more optimistic and shortened the timeline. But having said that, even this prediction of 12-18 months from last April isn't too far off.

If what Agip is saying is true, that all the groundwork had been done and only testing needed to be done, then why was Fauci saying up to 18 months? Why were other experts saying years? Were they lying to us? Of course they were.

this is a fair question.

I think it's clear that Fauci and others went out of their way to tamp down expectations, even bending and hiding the truth at times.

Not ideal.