Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip wrote:

formerly present wrote:

Worth noting that for those few years Joe Biden was in the wilderness as an ex-VPOTUS, he was pulling down ~$100k for making a speech. (Sometimes less, sometimes more, but was in that ballpark.) Making, say, 100 speeches/rallies a year might be helpful for Donald Trump, given the likelihood of liquidity problems in the coming years.

interesting question if Trump would be able to pull down that kind of money for speeches.

I think he might not, in this country anyway.

Most big US companies would have open revolts among their workers if company money were spent to have him speak. He is completely toxic.

Overseas, probably he would be paid a lot tho.

What organisations in foreign countries would be interested in paying him speak for a speech? Certainly none in Europe. He would also have to prepare and present a real speech and not the nonsense he spouts at rallys. Reading of off a teleprompter is not a speech.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

agip wrote:

interesting question if Trump would be able to pull down that kind of money for speeches.

I think he might not, in this country anyway.

Most big US companies would have open revolts among their workers if company money were spent to have him speak. He is completely toxic.

Overseas, probably he would be paid a lot tho.

What organisations in foreign countries would be interested in paying him speak for a speech? Certainly none in Europe. He would also have to prepare and present a real speech and not the nonsense he spouts at rallys. Reading of off a teleprompter is not a speech.

obviously the gulf states and former soviet union nations would be honored to host him.

Maybe a few former warsaw pacte-ers like hungary and poland

Except they are in NATO now and might not want to open that can of worms.

I don't know. But I suspect the taint of Trump isn't so stinky in some other nations.

Meanwhile in the US, his lawyers are being terrorized at their homes. Not cool. Shows the problem tho - associating with trump brings a lot of heat that US orgs won't want to manage.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

How did the Trump administration do that? Be specific. What minority are you? How did your status change on January 20th?

Trump administration scaled up the denaturalization program by unprecedented degree. This was a program designed to detect people like former Nazi collaborators who lied on their application. They used to this program to uncover anyone who made some minor errors or omissions on their application. The case number went from a single digit per year to hundreds, although many of them were able to get the decision reversed in the court.

I am a first generation Asian American. When I applied for my naturalization, I did not mention a minor traffic accident for which I pleaded no contest and paid the court expenses. This is because it was NOT REQUIRED under the law to report such incidents. But after reading media stories about people in similar situations fighting in the court, I got really worried. Trump's DHS was trying to revoke the citizenship from people for not reporting the things that were not legally required. I would have prevailed in the court if it had come to that, but that would have meant tons of legal fees and lengthy court battle.

This nightmare officially ended on Jan. 20, because Trump left the White House, along with Stephen Miller, who was the architect of this denaturalization policy. I am not from a country like Norway,and Trump made it clear I was not welcome. And his policy backed up his words.

You might find it funny to rile up anti-Trump people with your stupid Russian propaganda cartoons, but I found it extremely disgusting and offensive. You were mocking an existential threat to me.

You might say you were just being contrarian, but I never saw you post anything to poke fun at Trump or Republicans when they controlled the White House, the Senate and the House. No, you were mocking Dems when the other side had both the executive and the legislative branches (and the judiciary for that matter) under their control.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Being VP will not change Harris's personality which was unappealing to most people in 2020. I find her to be full of herself and a self-promoter.

Yeah, that's a quality you never find in a successful politician.

By the way, I don't want to read any more "both sides" BS from you. Clinton or Obama never threatened me the way Trump did. George W Bush never threatened me like Trump did. Actually, GWB was quite "pro immigrant" although I disagreed with him on many issues.

Trump was a uniquely threatening and evil president for non-white immigrants to this country. And you have absolutely no relevant knowledge or experience to convince me otherwise.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

It seems to me where we are on an increasing path of a nation intent on less work for more money.

Who is against less work for more money?

I don't think you understand what a terrible speaker he is. Decades ago, he received large speaking fees and if you watch some his old interviews, he was articulate and interesting. Now he is hard-wired to brag about his accomplishments, rant about his enemies and go off on crazy tangents. Outside of his base, no one wants to hear it.

I attended a conference a few years ago where John Major spoke and was very impressed. Trump isn't anywhere near that level.

Trollminator wrote:

This is what Graham was playing at

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1361374739407724545?s=20

I do hope she runs. Democrats can always use another senate seat. We'll send Stacy over there to make sure NC turns blue.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

By the way, I don't want to read any more "both sides" BS from you. Clinton or Obama never threatened me the way Trump did. George W Bush never threatened me like Trump did. Actually, GWB was quite "pro immigrant" although I disagreed with him on many issues.

Trump was a uniquely threatening and evil president for non-white immigrants to this country. And you have absolutely no relevant knowledge or experience to convince me otherwise.

I was kind of skeptical of your claims and asked my wife (who is Chinese) of your claims. She did say that Trump did try to exclude Asian-Americans who were not highly educated. And especially those belonging to the communist party.

agip wrote:

While I do think Trump will stay active in politics, I recently read an interesting counter-argument.

It is that Trump wants money. Everything is to get money, with a secondary attraction to being adored by the masses.

Will being a political kingmaker get him either? Probably not. So why would he do it?

Trump might chuck the whole thing and try for something different, like show business.

Remember Obama went into show biz after politics- show biz and politics are close cousins and there's certainly a ton of money and adoration to be had from it.

So maybe Trump will show a lack of interest in party politics and just sort of fade away from the R party.

Just an interesting idea.

His only source of future income is fleecing the base. So, yeah, he will stay active in US politics even from his new home in Turkey.

1101 wrote:

Calamity Joe wrote:

How the heck was Joe Biden's net worth only $30,000 in 2009?

He and his wife earned about $18 million in 2018 and 2019 but their current net worth is about $9 million.

Amazing his net worth was only $30,000 in 2009.

So, to summarize: Joe Biden is a crook, enriched by corrupt deals with foreign governments selling out America.

Don't believe it? Just look at how RICH he is!

Still don't believe it? OK, just look at how POOR he is!

Don't you have questions how someone who earned a high salary with incredible benefits after 40 years in Congress had a net worth of $30,000? Is that person really qualified to be president?

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

It is pretty clear the real standard of living has gone down. People are less connected to their community. For example, ACA has created a more bureaucratic healthcare system. My cancer treatment, though life saving, should never have been billed at over a half million dollars. It was a handout to managed care and big pharma. Government support of student loans have funded spa-like student life experiences, and over the top athletic complexes. Really little to do with the educational mission. Our family paid off student loan obligations before buying a new car, or taking a vacation. While many have used those same funds to buy a car, to take a vacation.

Strangely, I sort of agree with some of what you are saying here.

ACA hasn't created a more bureaucratic healthcare system. But its biggest failing is that it didn't address cost. It basically just kept everything as-is and threw more money at it. This was great because millions more got covered. But until you do things to control expenses (like medicare for all would do), you are just making providers richer while still leaving millions more uninsured.

Reform in higher education is important as well. The government could do a lot to keep tuition low and reign in the competition to turn every school into a country club.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Bigger problem for Black communities is the Democratic machine that has driven a culture of dependence

So you are saying that African Americans are too stupid to vote their own interests?

agip wrote:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-impeachment-lawyer-michael-van-der-veens-home/story?id=75893232

The interesting thing about that is deciding if this was likely done by a Trump supporter or a Trump hater.

I'm sure there are plenty of Trump supporters who desperately wanted Trump's lawyers to talk about how the election was stolen, Q Anon, and other conspiracies. They would consider him a traitor for not exposing this stuff when given the chance.

Fat hurts wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Bigger problem for Black communities is the Democratic machine that has driven a culture of dependence

So you are saying that African Americans are too stupid to vote their own interests?

They vote 96% democrat for a party that doesn't do anything for them.

Calamity Joe wrote:

1101 wrote:

So, to summarize: Joe Biden is a crook, enriched by corrupt deals with foreign governments selling out America.

Don't believe it? Just look at how RICH he is!

Still don't believe it? OK, just look at how POOR he is!

Don't you have questions how someone who earned a high salary with incredible benefits after 40 years in Congress had a net worth of $30,000? Is that person really qualified to be president?

The last president went from receiving a company worth $400M from his father to having a negative net worth at one point. Was he qualified to be president? We now know the answer to that question.

Calamity Joe wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

So you are saying that African Americans are too stupid to vote their own interests?

They vote 96% democrat for a party that doesn't do anything for them.

That is the kind of paternalism that makes Republicans so racist.

Fat hurts wrote:

Calamity Joe wrote:

They vote 96% democrat for a party that doesn't do anything for them.

That is the kind of paternalism that makes Republicans so racist.

Come on dude. I stated a fact.