Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

White House: Democratic

Senate: Democratic

House: Democratic

The sole leader of the Republican party: One term president, bipartisan impeached, lowest approval rating since the last Republican disaster president, lost by 7 million votes, waiting for his four years of legal struggles in multiple jurisdictions to begin.

if that's failure I'll take it.

Trollminator wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Looks like you will have another four years to continue your obsession.

Ahh and the other trump lover comes out of hiding in a rare own the libs moment. You can go back to your eternal victimhood now. Make sure you have 8 years of anxiety meds stocked up. But Hunter’s laptop! ???????

Igy is so correct. The Dems/Libs/Lincoln Project supporters are obsessed/consumed with Trump for the last five years. One Dem supporter they investigate Trump outside the confines of the impeachment. They just NEVER quit. NEVER!!!

Lets examine their obsession/consumption:

1) 2016 election - Hillary said election fraud/Pelosi said hijacked - other Dems sait Trump not president. RULING: Trump was confirmed as duly elected president. Trump 1-0.

2) Mueller investigation. Mueller et al. Concluded Trump did not conspire with Russians. Trump 2-0

3) Impeachment I - Trump acquitted. Trump 3-0.

4) Coronavirus - Trump shepherded development of 4 vaccines in world record time. Operation Warp Speed incredible succes. Trump 4-0.

5) 2020 election - serious questions about election fraud. Will give the Dems a break and call a tie. Trump 4-0-1.

6) Impeachment II - Trump acquitted. Dem House Managers taken out to woodshed. Dem Senators too frightened to call witnesses. Trump 5-0-1. Trump undefeated

Undefeated yet the Dems/Libs/Lincoln Project Supporters still talking about further investigating of Trump.

IT WILL NEVER END...

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I don’t know much about the 14th amendment but surely Mitch would be thrilled if the Dems could somehow get rid of trump for him. Dems should not use that option if it’s available to them. Let the GOP drop all the way to the bottom with trump.

https://twitter.com/freudianslip963/status/1360981453291417601?s=21

the problem with that is that the Dem candidate who will be 82 if biden or not a newbie, if Harris or someone else. Remember how poorly Harris did in the primaries - she has not proven herself in national electoral politics. I hope she will though.

Vs Trump.

if we had a 60 year old, vital, popular, proven Dem president I'd feel a lot better about our chances vs trump in 2024.

There is no way that 2024 will be Harris vs Trump. Being VP will make Harris no more of a viable candidate than she was in the 2020 primaries. As I posted before, there are multiples reasons why Trump will not run in 2024.

There is likely to be a good Democrat candidate among the current group of governors and senators. I would prefer a 50-year old in 2024.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

agip wrote:

the problem with that is that the Dem candidate who will be 82 if biden or not a newbie, if Harris or someone else. Remember how poorly Harris did in the primaries - she has not proven herself in national electoral politics. I hope she will though.

Vs Trump.

if we had a 60 year old, vital, popular, proven Dem president I'd feel a lot better about our chances vs trump in 2024.

There is no way that 2024 will be Harris vs Trump. Being VP will make Harris no more of a viable candidate than she was in the 2020 primaries. As I posted before, there are multiples reasons why Trump will not run in 2024.

There is likely to be a good Democrat candidate among the current group of governors and senators. I would prefer a 50-year old in 2024.

then if Trump runs it's a guy with the aura of an ex president against a newbie.

look at the power of the white house...joe biden stunk up the place in all his presidential runs...until he spent time as veep. Then suddenly he's a massive snowplow busting through the primary field like it was nothing. After IA and NH anyway.

Same could happen for Harris - project the aura of power onto her for 4 years and she will be a much more powerful jedi.

You lost again, uneducated New York gay democrat!!!!

At least you admit defeat. Enjoy! ??

this is perhaps the most dangerous problem the country faces, and it's the Republican Party's fault.

The Rs have won one popular vote since 1993. They know they are a minority party and that that won't change any time soon.

So Republicans have given up on majority rule democracy and are instead heading down the authoritarian rabbit hole of personality cults and restriction of voting.

In other words, one of our two parties is no longer a believer in democracy.

"After historic turnout and increased mail voting in 2020, state lawmakers across the country are pulling in opposite directions by introducing restrictive and expansive voting legislation."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-2021-0

I agree with this but if it’ll happen after a single term presidency it has to be clearly coordinated. Biden will have to announce indefinitely at some point that he’s not going to run. As long as he’s healthy he’ll be unbeatable against any Republican, especially after trump mangled the GOP. None of the top Rs except for trump would even run vs Biden.

And I think Biden will in fact announce that he will not run again, probably 6 months before the first primary.

I think that starting soon he will soon find a very public role for Harris, as a tryout, to see how it goes. If she takes off and flies, great, she's the likely nominee. If not, and people don't respond well to her leadership, the Dems will be in trouble but still have some time to find another.

But the Dems really want it to be harris or biden, to use the glory of the WH as a mantle of power and glamor.

There's precedent for this...Johnson in the 1960s declined to run again, and so did truman. Unfortunately both times resulted in an R win. But small sample.

I suppose the other way to look at it is that if Harris flunks her tryout, Joe would still have time to run again, so not much lost.

I think one of my enduring memories of the Trump admin will be Kevin McCarthy desperately calling Trump on Jan 6, asking him to call off his goons as they are smashing in McCarty's windows.

Trump says, paraphrased, 'nah I'm good with them, brah, they are trying to put me in the WH while you are hiding under your desk.'

Kevin replies, paraphrased, 'I'm not one of your rubes, Spanky, I'm the GOP leader in the House. You can't piss on me and tell me it's raining. Call off your thugs.'

Such an amazing moment.

agip wrote:

The Rs have won one popular vote since 1993. They know they are a minority party and that that won't change any time soon.

They have actually only won the popular vote once since 1988 (in 2004). The electoral college is also heavily biased in favor of the Rs so Dems could keep winning the popular vote but losing elections. This is not a situation that is fundamentally sustainable for long in a democracy.

rt6 wrote:

agip wrote:

The Rs have won one popular vote since 1993. They know they are a minority party and that that won't change any time soon.

They have actually only won the popular vote once since 1988 (in 2004). The electoral college is also heavily biased in favor of the Rs so Dems could keep winning the popular vote but losing elections. This is not a situation that is fundamentally sustainable for long in a democracy.

thanks for the correction.

I would say tho that the bias of the electoral college goes back and forth. Nate Silver loves to point out that Obama had a significant advantage in the electoral college. It could swing back, esp if another state like AZ or GA goes blue. NC, for example.

And of course TX is the big prize. If that goes purple, the Rs are over and done with.

Trump is toast. His base is rudderless with no candidate or political goals to rally around. They aren't going to hang around with bated breath to hear which out of state senator or congressperson Trump wants to screw over. As dumb as we might think Trump's base is, most of them will know that he has no chance in 2024. Nikki Haley is conservative enough and outshines Trump in every possible criterion. It's the same as the contrast between Justin Trudeau and Trump in the eyes of Melania.

Being VP will not change Harris's personality which was unappealing to most people in 2020. I find her to be full of herself and a self-promoter.

Biden benefited from a weak pool of Democrat candidates and running against one of the most hated incumbents in history.

yeah no doubt the mag/s will rally behind Nikki Haley with massive force and large power and many dollars.

Yup.

I'm being sarcastic there.

There is no Repub party without Trump. The 2024 nominee will be squarely from the Trump camp. Either him or someone very very tight with the trumps. Maybe the FL guvnor.

Remember there was no D party without Obama, and they got beaten because of it.

Neither Obama nor Trump were wise enough to foster the next generation of people in their party. Not helping the party by putting a spotlight on the next generation was one of Obama's biggest mistakes. we ended up with stale hillary.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Trump is toast. His base is rudderless with no candidate or political goals to rally around. They aren't going to hang around with bated breath to hear which out of state senator or congressperson Trump wants to screw over. As dumb as we might think Trump's base is, most of them will know that he has no chance in 2024. Nikki Haley is conservative enough and outshines Trump in every possible criterion. It's the same as the contrast between Justin Trudeau and Trump in the eyes of Melania.

Being VP will not change Harris's personality which was unappealing to most people in 2020. I find her to be full of herself and a self-promoter.

Biden benefited from a weak pool of Democrat candidates and running against one of the most hated incumbents in history.

I'm not sure Trump and Trump-ism are as dead as some Dems would like to think and it is way too early (less than a month after the orange dipspit was shipped to South Fl) to really get a read on it. At this point it isn't a surprise that he still has influence over the party since the GOP is still as a whole trying to gauge where his base is going to go. They may go way to some degree or age out but they still remain prolific. It's going to take some time to determine all of this.

I doubt Trump runs again although that's mainly from the feeling he won't be healthy enough to. If he's healthy, he's going to need to be dealt with in all likelihood. I don't think any of the "legal" issues really hurts him. He's done far worse than intentionally mis value some property or make a phone call to have a state overturn an election and the GOP hasn't batted an eye at it. So, from an electability issue, those are non-factors and he could be the nominee.

I expect a Republican to win in 2024. I don't think the Dems have anyone who can step up to the plate. Biden probably will be done. Harris isn't winning. While Trump would be the favorite at the moment....people have short memories and a lot of the anti-Trump stuff will dissipate plus they'll be anti Dem issues which will bring the RINO's back to the GOP...I can see Nikki Haley becoming the first female POTUS.

agip wrote:

There is no Repub party without Trump. The 2024 nominee will be squarely from the Trump camp. Either him or someone very very tight with the trumps. Maybe the FL guvnor.

DeSantis is interesting. I'm a FL resident and my feelings on him are like they are for most politicians. Sometimes I think he's ok and sometimes I think he's an idiot. A big thing with him is how the state comes out looking on COVID. He can be a bit arrogant at times and he definitely follows Trump but not, in my opinion, to the John Gotti-an point Trump seems to get to. DeSantis also doesn't have the same cult following Trump has nor is he pointedly disrespectful as Trump is. He's seems normal with a right wing lean.

TTH wrote:

agip wrote:

There is no Repub party without Trump. The 2024 nominee will be squarely from the Trump camp. Either him or someone very very tight with the trumps. Maybe the FL guvnor.

DeSantis is interesting. I'm a FL resident and my feelings on him are like they are for most politicians. Sometimes I think he's ok and sometimes I think he's an idiot. A big thing with him is how the state comes out looking on COVID. He can be a bit arrogant at times and he definitely follows Trump but not, in my opinion, to the John Gotti-an point Trump seems to get to. DeSantis also doesn't have the same cult following Trump has nor is he pointedly disrespectful as Trump is. He's seems normal with a right wing lean.

I only know him from a distance but I think he's able to project the 'I hate democrats' anger enough to pull in most of the m/gas. Which might be enough to get the nomination.

M/gas probably don't mind Nikki too much, but they don't love her much either. They need someone who will entertain them, who makes them want to commit sedition. Nikki doesnt' have that. Does DeSantis? If he hates democrats enough and Spanky gets behind him, then maybe.

I could see Trump offering DeSantis a deal he can't refuse: run for president as my puppet or we'll run a trump against you.

But I only have a fleeting impression of DeSantis, from sound bites. I could be wrong.

Lol Trump and the Republicans don't bail out terrorists and rioters. The only reason anyone would expect that of them is because of ANTIFA members bailed out by Democrats.