Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Calamity Joe wrote:

welp wrote:

I have zero knowledge of this. So how would that work? Wouldn't they still need more than a simple majority from the senate and house to use it?

I am not too familiar either but I believe it would require 2/3 vote in both houses. It talks about insurrection but doesn't require that he engaged in it but only that he gave aid and comfort to enemies of the state which the House has already found.

If Rs have to go on record voting against trump they will never side with the Dems to punish him, never. Dems on the other hand have to use whatever tools available to at least try to prevent this criminal from ever having a chance to serve himself at the cost of destroying democracy. The GOP remains enslaved to an orange make up wearing loser who got crushed by 7 million votes and caused them to lose the Senate on top of it. Fun times ahead for trumpers.

If he is labeled as an insurrectionist, it would take 2/3 of Congress to "allow" him to run for president.

L L wrote:

If he is labeled as an insurrectionist, it would take 2/3 of Congress to "allow" him to run for president.

While I agree that storming the Capitol was very bad and those participating in it should be punished it was no insurrection. It was more a disruption and those involved were attempting to disrupt Congress. Who brings flags to an insurrection? You bring guns to an insurrection and the disruptors had no guns.

Calamity Joe wrote:

L L wrote:

If he is labeled as an insurrectionist, it would take 2/3 of Congress to "allow" him to run for president.

While I agree that storming the Capitol was very bad and those participating in it should be punished it was no insurrection. It was more a disruption and those involved were attempting to disrupt Congress. Who brings flags to an insurrection? You bring guns to an insurrection and the disruptors had no guns.

So what do you think would have happened had they somehow found Pence, Pelosi, Schumer etc? Do you think they would have just berated them? For me, the most important piece of evidence against Trump is what he said about Pence at the rally prior to and during the riot. Even as his minions chanted "hang Mike Pence" he was still tweeting that Pence was "a coward." Had that crowd got their hands on Pence there is no doubt in my mind that they would have hung him. Mob rule.....

How can anybody downplay what took place?

A bunch of em were yelling "hang Mike Pence" yet were basically allowed into the Capital building. Wtf.

Trump was obviously all for this chaos.

Alan

Calamity Joe wrote:

L L wrote:

If he is labeled as an insurrectionist, it would take 2/3 of Congress to "allow" him to run for president.

While I agree that storming the Capitol was very bad and those participating in it should be punished it was no insurrection. It was more a disruption and those involved were attempting to disrupt Congress. Who brings flags to an insurrection? You bring guns to an insurrection and the disruptors had no guns.

The last set of insurrectionists had a flag that they carried into battle. Some who were part of this most recent insurrection were carrying that same flag.

And if you don't think that breaking down barriers to stop Congress from certifying the results of an election is insurrection, then you don't think anything is.

it was textbook sedition. They conspired to stop a constitutionally mandated exercise: the choosing of the next president. They said this on camera. Clear as day. And this wasn't some minor disruption of congress. It was as major as it gets. Trying to punch them until they overthrew the presidential election.

Def sedition:

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

Calamity Joe wrote:

Who brings flags to an insurrection?

But these were the flags they brought:

Calamity Joe wrote:

L L wrote:

If he is labeled as an insurrectionist, it would take 2/3 of Congress to "allow" him to run for president.

While I agree that storming the Capitol was very bad and those participating in it should be punished it was no insurrection. It was more a disruption and those involved were attempting to disrupt Congress. Who brings flags to an insurrection? You bring guns to an insurrection and the disruptors had no guns.

Curious if you actually know that none of the traitors were armed, or if you're just making stuff up. Given that very few if any of them were arrested at the scene, there's really no way to know whether or how many of them were armed at the time. However, there was a lot of social media chatter before 1/6 about bringing guns to DC, and two pipe bombs were planted in DC, so it's not too much of a stretch to think that many of them were armed when they stormed the Capitol.

By the way, the guy who had his picture taken with his feet up on the desk in Pelosi's office had a 950,000 volt stun gun on him.

In all the pictures and video did you see ANY guns? I never saw one. You say there was no way to know if any had a gun since very few were arrested. Well it is a crime to possess a firearm in a federal facility and any with guns could have been arrested. Again, I only saw flags. In an insurrection or coup the participants go in with guns ablazing.

I would also want to know which Congressperson's security guy shot a woman in the throat and killed her. Why do we not know that? Was she that much of a threat to him?

Calamity Joe wrote:

I would also want to know which Congressperson's security guy shot a woman in the throat and killed her. Why do we not know that? Was she that much of a threat to him?

It was a tragedy, but it's irrelvant as to whether Trump should be convicted. She was a nut and maybe her family could have done more to help her.

I count 12 Republicans from purple states who should vote for conviction if they want to have a chance of winning a general election.

Trump lost Haley. That's a big blow. Haley is extremely politically ambitious. She always anticipates the direction the wind is going to blow. She senses a change.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/nikki-haley-donald-trump-gop/index.html

Calamity Joe wrote:

I would also want to know which Congressperson's security guy shot a woman in the throat and killed her. Why do we not know that? Was she that much of a threat to him?

The shooter has been identified as a Capitol Police lieutenant, not a "Congressperson's security guy".

Further, there were 60 Capitol Police injured by the mob, 15 that required hospitalization, an one fatality. Frankly I'm surprised they showed as much restraint as they did, but I understand they were legitimately concerned about being outgunned if it came to a fire fight.

Calamity Joe wrote:

In all the pictures and video did you see ANY guns? I never saw one. You say there was no way to know if any had a gun since very few were arrested. Well it is a crime to possess a firearm in a federal facility and any with guns could have been arrested. Again, I only saw flags. In an insurrection or coup the participants go in with guns ablazing.

It's also a crime to force entry to a federal building, to club policemen with fire extinguishers, and other such things which were caught on video, yet there weren't on the spot arrests for these because the cops were sort of preoccupied with more urgent matters.

But you know this.

The stun gun was seen on a photo. But photos won't show guns that are concealed. So the fact that no guns were seen on photos or videos is irrelevant to the question of whether any of the rioters were armed.

Similarly, the fact that they weren't arrested doesn't mean that they weren't armed. Does the fact that they weren't arrested make them innocent of trespassing, or rioting?

Calamity Joe wrote:

I would also want to know which Congressperson's security guy shot a woman in the throat and killed her. Why do we not know that? Was she that much of a threat to him?

You're kidding right? Is this where we discuss what would have happened had it been a mob of black and brown people trying to break in? The whole point of BLM is that people of color get shot for much less than the woman who was shot at the capitol.

To be perfectly clear, these rioters were warned continuously to leave. They weren't supposed to be there and were told to leave. They used violence to get in and harmed dozens of police officers, ultimately killing 3. To this day I don't understand the "freedom" these lunatics were afforded. Had swat opened fire on the mob and killed many of them, it would have been very justified..........

L L wrote:

If he is labeled as an insurrectionist, it would take 2/3 of Congress to "allow" him to run for president.

This is how I read it. Declare him an insurrectionist and for him to run again he'd have to have a 2/3rds approval to run again. How he is declared an insurrectionist I'm not sure but it would appear to me at quick glance a bill which would require a mere simple majority.

I agree with you that the Capitol Police could have responded in a much more aggressive way. It would have been justified.

I know I am pretty slow but please explain how "Remain peaceful" (Trump's words) translates to incitement.