Why do you continually attack me for claims I never made?
I thought you often justified Putin's attack. But if I miss characterized your position by claiming that you can't see that Putin was horribly wrong but you can see that he was horribly wrong then I humbly apologize.
You're conflating justification and morality. Putin can feel completely justified in his actions without other people agreeing that his actions are justified.
I think Putin was wrong to invade. I think HE believes he was justified.
It is silly to pretend that the world is black and white and he's only acting out of evil.
He has said for decades he doesn't want NATO in Ukraine. Apparently, he meant what he said.
I thought you often justified Putin's attack. But if I miss characterized your position by claiming that you can't see that Putin was horribly wrong but you can see that he was horribly wrong then I humbly apologize.
He has said for decades he doesn't want NATO in Ukraine. Apparently, he meant what he said.
Votes matter. The puppet designee isn't a puppet until elected, and it was a contested election.
And the reason the prosecutor was targeted was because he wasn't actually taking action against corruption. It was up to Ukraine to decide whether to remove him, it was up to the US to decide whether to give money. Strange that those carrying water for Russia in this thread complain about corruption in Ukraine, but don't like that the US withheld aid unless steps were taken to reduce corruption.
No... America got "historically rich" because it was the only industrial nation that wasn't devastated by World War 2. If everyone's house burns down but yours you're in a pretty good spot compared to the rest of the neighborhood.
What returns do you think we have gotten from Europe?
We sold $268 billion worth of stuff there in 2019. And politically, we can (again) count on the support of most of our European allies in international affairs. The unified response to Putin's invasion doesn't just happen magically.
Well, me thinks it's not just "worth of stuff". There also are a few "management fees" and other "trademark usage rights" that go straight to Delaware and do not have a compensation in "stuff".
I thought you often justified Putin's attack. But if I miss characterized your position by claiming that you can't see that Putin was horribly wrong but you can see that he was horribly wrong then I humbly apologize.
You're conflating justification and morality. Putin can feel completely justified in his actions without other people agreeing that his actions are justified.
I think Putin was wrong to invade. I think HE believes he was justified.
It is silly to pretend that the world is black and white and he's only acting out of evil.
He has said for decades he doesn't want NATO in Ukraine. Apparently, he meant what he said.
just amazing that 'conservatives' have some weird tic that makes them believe a career liar like Putin....but not believe a lifelong patriotic public servant like Biden or HRC. It's astonishing.
What is it that makes them distrust obviously patriotic americans in favor of career liars? Trump has that tic too - he prefers putin's word over US intelligence services.
one more reason why we are doomed. They trust the word of tyrants over their fellow americans. so foolish.
Votes matter. The puppet designee isn't a puppet until elected, and it was a contested election.
And the reason the prosecutor was targeted was because he wasn't actually taking action against corruption. It was up to Ukraine to decide whether to remove him, it was up to the US to decide whether to give money. Strange that those carrying water for Russia in this thread complain about corruption in Ukraine, but don't like that the US withheld aid unless steps were taken to reduce corruption.
So Biden demanded that the prosecutor be fired because he was not investigating the corrupt company that was paying his son?
You're conflating justification and morality. Putin can feel completely justified in his actions without other people agreeing that his actions are justified.
I think Putin was wrong to invade. I think HE believes he was justified.
It is silly to pretend that the world is black and white and he's only acting out of evil.
He has said for decades he doesn't want NATO in Ukraine. Apparently, he meant what he said.
just amazing that 'conservatives' have some weird tic that makes them believe a career liar like Putin....but not believe a lifelong patriotic public servant like Biden or HRC. It's astonishing.
What is it that makes them distrust obviously patriotic americans in favor of career liars? Trump has that tic too - he prefers putin's word over US intelligence services.
one more reason why we are doomed. They trust the word of tyrants over their fellow americans. so foolish.
but carry on, Adult.
I'm not a conservative.
What benefit does Putin get from lying repeatedly about not wanting NATO in Ukraine?
I don't believe the James Clapper's of the world are patriots. The man is a narcissist who values NOTHING more than himself. His politics are more important to him than his country or his duty or the oath he took.
just amazing that 'conservatives' have some weird tic that makes them believe a career liar like Putin....but not believe a lifelong patriotic public servant like Biden or HRC. It's astonishing.
What is it that makes them distrust obviously patriotic americans in favor of career liars? Trump has that tic too - he prefers putin's word over US intelligence services.
one more reason why we are doomed. They trust the word of tyrants over their fellow americans. so foolish.
but carry on, Adult.
I'm not a conservative.
What benefit does Putin get from lying repeatedly about not wanting NATO in Ukraine?
I don't believe the James Clapper's of the world are patriots. The man is a narcissist who values NOTHING more than himself. His politics are more important to him than his country or his duty or the oath he took.
because no tyrant would ever say ' I don't want my people to get any fancy ideas about ruling themselves.'
instead, tyrants want to present themselves as 1/ the spiritual embodiment of their people and 2/ the one thing that keeps their country from anarchy and defeat.
Putin wants this to be about nato because he wants to be able to say to his people 'I am defending you from the nazis over the border. Without me they would be raping your sisters again.' I mean that sells well. russians will believe that even though it's a lie. Whereas the Russian people would not take so kindly to putin saying 'no fancy ideas of democracy, you rubes.'
The NATO thing is a ruse, a fake, a false flag to keep putin in office.
just amazing that 'conservatives' have some weird tic that makes them believe a career liar like Putin....but not believe a lifelong patriotic public servant like Biden or HRC. It's astonishing.
What is it that makes them distrust obviously patriotic americans in favor of career liars? Trump has that tic too - he prefers putin's word over US intelligence services.
one more reason why we are doomed. They trust the word of tyrants over their fellow americans. so foolish.
What benefit does Putin get from lying repeatedly about not wanting NATO in Ukraine?
I don't believe the James Clapper's of the world are patriots. The man is a narcissist who values NOTHING more than himself. His politics are more important to him than his country or his duty or the oath he took.
because no tyrant would ever say ' I don't want my people to get any fancy ideas about ruling themselves.'
instead, tyrants want to present themselves as 1/ the spiritual embodiment of their people and 2/ the one thing that keeps their country from anarchy and defeat.
Putin wants this to be about nato because he wants to be able to say to his people 'I am defending you from the nazis over the border. Without me they would be raping your sisters again.' I mean that sells well. russians will believe that even though it's a lie. Whereas the Russian people would not take so kindly to putin saying 'no fancy ideas of democracy, you rubes.'
The NATO thing is a ruse, a fake, a false flag to keep putin in office.
You do realize Ukraine is a separate country right?
Putin has complete control of the Russian media. He doesn't need a ruse to stay in power. He was already very popular before the war.
It's not "anti-American propaganda" to realize the unique position America was in 1945.
The richest countries in the world in 1940 were:
1. USA
2. USSR
3. Germany
4. UK
5. Japan
China was in the mix as well. Can you think of anything at all that happened to China, the USSR, Germany, the UK, and Japan between 1933 and 1945?
Anything at all?
Half of the USSR was destroyed along with a huge percentage of it's population.
ALL of Germany was destroyed. along with a huge percentage of it's male population.
The UK lost it's empire from where most of it's wealth came from.
Japan was destroyed and lost a huge percentage of it's population.
China was brutalized by Japan for over a decade and immediately fell into civil war once the war was over with tens of millions killed.
Meanwhile, the US was completely untouched suffered WAAAAAAAY less casualties than anyone else as a percentage of population and the civilian population was completely untouched.
This set the US up for the economic boom more than any other reason. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
Imagine half the NFL being killed in plane crashes and then the only team which didn't lose half it's players shows up on Sunday and claims they won their game because they executed better than their opponent... You're being ridiculous.
How does any of that support your original point that America would be so much nicer if we didn't waste TRILLIONS babysitting the world?
America was presented with a great opportunity and seized it. This resulted in unprecedented wealth gain and stability over the past 75 years. Americans have benefited immensity from this dynamic. If we went Trump-brained, zero sum in 1945, the US would be much poorer nation with less influence.
because no tyrant would ever say ' I don't want my people to get any fancy ideas about ruling themselves.'
instead, tyrants want to present themselves as 1/ the spiritual embodiment of their people and 2/ the one thing that keeps their country from anarchy and defeat.
Putin wants this to be about nato because he wants to be able to say to his people 'I am defending you from the nazis over the border. Without me they would be raping your sisters again.' I mean that sells well. russians will believe that even though it's a lie. Whereas the Russian people would not take so kindly to putin saying 'no fancy ideas of democracy, you rubes.'
The NATO thing is a ruse, a fake, a false flag to keep putin in office.
You do realize Ukraine is a separate country right?
Putin has complete control of the Russian media. He doesn't need a ruse to stay in power. He was already very popular before the war.
Nothing you say makes any logical sense.
hey do yourself a favor and look up the word 'revolution.'
it's happened a few times throughout history. it's when a people rise up and overthrow its government. usually against tyrants like putin. it has even happened in Russia! And Romania! And Ukraine!
I don't know what the word for 'revolution' is in russian, but putin knows it well. And he doesn't want one of those in his country. Because it would cost him his life/freedom/money. So he is billing himself to his people as the last bulwark before a NATO invasion.
Hey!! Trump says HE is the only one who can solve his nation's problems too! they same guy you voted for! Maybe he's a lot like putin!!!
Votes matter. The puppet designee isn't a puppet until elected, and it was a contested election.
And the reason the prosecutor was targeted was because he wasn't actually taking action against corruption. It was up to Ukraine to decide whether to remove him, it was up to the US to decide whether to give money. Strange that those carrying water for Russia in this thread complain about corruption in Ukraine, but don't like that the US withheld aid unless steps were taken to reduce corruption.
So Biden demanded that the prosecutor be fired because he was not investigating the corrupt company that was paying his son?
What?
That's called the Big Lie.
Amazing anyone falls for it
If you were paying attention at the time you would know that a number of other western countries also were advocating for removal of the prosecutor for failing to take action against corruption.
And the event isn't proof that Ukraine had become a US puppet anyway. If Country A approaches Country B and says they will give country B $XXXX million for badly needed education and sanitation expenditures, but only if County B improves rights for XYZ minority group in Country B, that doesn't make Country B a puppet. I just means that Country A wants its money to go to a recipient that promotes certain values.
If Country A also required Country B to vote certain ways in the United Nations and the EU, accept Country A's military bases and promise to buy certain Country A products instead of products from other countries, then there would be a case to consider that Country B was a puppet.
reminder that you have voted for the party that delivers substandard economic growth time after time. Is that a libertarian precept? Needlessly slow economic growth? Or do you just prefer the corruption and wars?
You do realize Ukraine is a separate country right?
Putin has complete control of the Russian media. He doesn't need a ruse to stay in power. He was already very popular before the war.
Nothing you say makes any logical sense.
hey do yourself a favor and look up the word 'revolution.'
it's happened a few times throughout history. it's when a people rise up and overthrow its government. usually against tyrants like putin. it has even happened in Russia! And Romania! And Ukraine!
I don't know what the word for 'revolution' is in russian, but putin knows it well. And he doesn't want one of those in his country. Because it would cost him his life/freedom/money. So he is billing himself to his people as the last bulwark before a NATO invasion.
Hey!! Trump says HE is the only one who can solve his nation's problems too! they same guy you voted for! Maybe he's a lot like putin!!!
Revolutions don't occur in country where the current leader of the government has an approval rating in 60s or 70s...
You're still operating under the laughably infantile assumption that Russians think like you do.
You voted for a guy in a diaper who doesn't even know what day it is.
If you list the policy positions on a piece of paper and let people choose which position is more reasonable Trump would get WAY more support than Biden.
The entire media, deep state, Democratic party, and half the Republicans worked 24/7 to get rid of Trump and it still required ballot harvesting and unsupervised mass mail in voting for Biden to win.
It's not "anti-American propaganda" to realize the unique position America was in 1945.
The richest countries in the world in 1940 were:
1. USA
2. USSR
3. Germany
4. UK
5. Japan
China was in the mix as well. Can you think of anything at all that happened to China, the USSR, Germany, the UK, and Japan between 1933 and 1945?
Anything at all?
Half of the USSR was destroyed along with a huge percentage of it's population.
ALL of Germany was destroyed. along with a huge percentage of it's male population.
The UK lost it's empire from where most of it's wealth came from.
Japan was destroyed and lost a huge percentage of it's population.
China was brutalized by Japan for over a decade and immediately fell into civil war once the war was over with tens of millions killed.
Meanwhile, the US was completely untouched suffered WAAAAAAAY less casualties than anyone else as a percentage of population and the civilian population was completely untouched.
This set the US up for the economic boom more than any other reason. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
Imagine half the NFL being killed in plane crashes and then the only team which didn't lose half it's players shows up on Sunday and claims they won their game because they executed better than their opponent... You're being ridiculous.
How does any of that support your original point that America would be so much nicer if we didn't waste TRILLIONS babysitting the world?
America was presented with a great opportunity and seized it. This resulted in unprecedented wealth gain and stability over the past 75 years. Americans have benefited immensity from this dynamic. If we went Trump-brained, zero sum in 1945, the US would be much poorer nation with less influence.
reminder that you have voted for the party that delivers substandard economic growth time after time. Is that a libertarian precept? Needlessly slow economic growth? Or do you just prefer the corruption and wars?
That's an absurdly oversimplified view of how the country works.
You're also forgetting that you idiots say Republicans and Democrats all switched sides in the mid 60s. So by your own idiotic logic you can put Truman and Kennedy in the Republican party.
There's also a reason the data starts randomly in 1953. FDR did horribly in the 30s and the Republicans had power in the roaring 20s.
Take away the post World War 2 boom and it's basically a wash.