Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Democrats are wimps/gays.

Calamity Joe wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Based on them trying to get the WH visitor logs from the days leading up to the attack, I think they will connect the dots more clearly and describe the various meetings that took place between the extremists and trump's minions and the deliberate confusion and layers injected by trump and his people. With his post-loss desperation I think he would have had to take more personal risk in trying to stage a coup so he was probably less careful. Of course, there will be no secret recording of trump telling anyone "I hereby ask you to organize an attack on the capitol."

If the former president Donald Trump is acquitted (exonerated) a second time will you FINALLY get off his back? Sheesh ... You guys are ALWAYS attacking the poor guy. Please give it a rest if exoneration comes a second time.

The poor guy committed, by far, the biggest betrayal of the U.S. by a POTUS in history. He's lucky that it would difficult to convict him in criminal court and that Republicans Senators will acquit him no matter what.

Do you really believe what Trump did is forgivable?

Calamity Joe wrote:

If the former president Donald Trump is acquitted (exonerated) a second time will you FINALLY get off his back? Sheesh ... You guys are ALWAYS attacking the poor guy. Please give it a rest if exoneration comes a second time.

I know what you support based on previous postings, but still this can't be real can it? He's the worst president in the history of our country, responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths because of his lack of interest in COVID, for attacking and delegitimizing our elections and for disgusting and unAmerican events of January 6. Acquittal, which is what I would suspect, would further show how corrupt and unAmerican the republican party or ANYBODY who votes to acquit are. Conviction in the senate wouldn't be enough. Trump NEEDS to go to jail. What he's done to the presidency, to this country, he should spend the rest of his life in jail for.

None of those things are likely to happen. So, no. There will be no backing off....

Trump did nothing wrong except being the most transparent and exceptional president ever. The majority of Americans agree.

Democrats are just self hating gays and affirmative action losers.

ten investigations into benghazi found nothing done wrong by HRC or Obama. I'm sure right wingers were against all of those too.

Biden voters are gays wrote:

Trump did nothing wrong except being the most transparent and exceptional president ever. The majority of Americans agree.

Democrats are just self hating gays and affirmative action losers.

I know this isn't a serious post, but I'll bite anyway.

If he's so transparent, why won't he testify? Why won't he release his taxes? Why did he restrict the release of transcripts of phone calls between him and foreign leaders?

As for who the majority of Americans prefer, the results of the last election speak for themselves. Biden by a country mile. Even the results of the 2016 election showed that a majority of Americans preferred Hillary over Trump.

Calamity Joe wrote:

If the former president Donald Trump is acquitted (exonerated) a second time will you FINALLY get off his back? Sheesh ... You guys are ALWAYS attacking the poor guy. Please give it a rest if exoneration comes a second time.

The question posed to your alter ego a few days ago remains unanswered.

Monkeys typing wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

. . .Trump deserved to be impeached but whether he actually incited the rioters is a tough road to hoe.

If you believe Trump deserves to be impeached, what charges would you prefer?

Biden voters are gays wrote:

Trump did nothing wrong except being the most transparent and exceptional president ever. The majority of Americans agree.

Democrats are just self hating gays and affirmative action losers.

Transparent? hahahahahaahah....about what?

All he did was talk about himself like he was the greatest president off all time (he wasn't). Afforded his kids a ton of shady deals that made them millions of dollars while "consultants." Made up fake accusations against anyone that wasn't giving him praise (notice I didn't say democrats, because he attacked any republican that didn't echo his BS). And to top it off, he was the least informed president ever....he was a pawn.

If he was your boss, you'd hate him because he'd s**t all over you.

If he was your friend, you'd think he's a pompous B-S'er.

If he was your kid, you'd want to beat him like every internet troll.

If you think he was tough...never heard a president be such a prissy little b***h. ("the media is mean to me..."twitter is so mean to me"). Real tough guy there.

buthurt wrote:

If you think he was tough...never heard a president be such a prissy little b***h. ("the media is mean to me..."twitter is so mean to me"). Real tough guy there.

I'm going to jump on this one. I'm sick and tired of conservatives who love to throw shade at snowflakes on the left and love to hide behind the word "freedom" to disguise just how cowardly and soft they are. Trump complained all the time, about everything. There isn't a single thing tough about Trump. He's the softest president in history. And the dopey trumpers who b!tch and moan about things like masks as as soft as they come.

What evidence do you expect to see exactly?

agip wrote:

ten investigations into benghazi found nothing done wrong by HRC or Obama.

Keep in mind that a majority of those investigations, including Trey Gowdy's, were run by Republicans. All with the same result: no culpability on the part of H. Clinton or B. Obama.

For any who didn't follow the obfuscation attempts a year ago (at Impeachment One):

Impeachment is fundamentally a political and not a judicial event.

Acquittal in an impeachment trial is a political decision.

"Acquittal" (especially in an impeachment context) and "exoneration" are different words that mean different things. Donald Trump was *acquitted* but not *exonerated* in Impeachment One.

Words have meanings. Liars (and trolls) specialize in trying to change those meanings unilaterally.

In a somewhat similar vein: A "baby" is a recently-birthed human being, so a human zygote/embryo/foetus is *not* a baby; and "murder" is *illegal* killing, so a legal medical procedure is not murder.

Trump's most egregious crime was treating the Coronavirus like it was nothing. His cavalier attitude DID cause many deaths. I will not deny that. But you Dems/Libs were going to pursue him no matter what. The Mueller investigation was a joke. The first impeachment? I don't even remember why he was impeached.

Now on to the current impeachment ...

1).The attack on the Capitol was terrible. I will grant you that. But how did Trump incite? The FBI said the rioters had been planning the attack for 2 weeks. Trump was speaking when the attack occurred. How did Trump incite when the rioters had planned for weeks and were carrying out the pre-planned attack?

2) The poor lady shot in the throat and died was shot by a security guy of a Congressperson.

3) Did the rioters have ANY guns? Were any guns confiscated?

Again, the attack was terrible but Trump inciting it? I don't see it.

Well, I expect to see a lot of what's already publicly known. The string of statements made by Trump that could be construed as inciting the riot. The dishonest and irresponsible claims that the election was stolen from Trump. The statements of the rioters that they were acting on orders from Trump. Evidence about Trump surrogates (Stone) and their relationship with the Oath Keepers, who helped organize the attempt to overthrow the government.

And maybe the Democrats have more evidence, that has not been publicly released yet. For that, we'll just have to wait and see how things play out.

Even, if it can't be proved that Trump did not directly incite the riot what we do know is that he did nothing to stop it when it was going on. He did not try and activate the national guard (Pence did that). He did not immediately go live on national television or go on twitter and tell the rioters to immediately stop and leave the capital. The only thing we know that Trump did during this time is try and call Tommy Tuberville to vote to overturn the election.

It was hours before he made a taped statement where he expressed his love for the rioters. To me doing nothing was a complete negligence of duty of the President of the US, for which he deserves to be convicted in the Senate.

Here's another thing Trump found time to do during the riot - tweet about Mike Pence:

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify," Trump wrote.

Liz Cheney suggests that this was a premeditated call to violence, which when coming from the President sure sounds like an impeachable offense.

Calamity Joe wrote:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-yorks-daily-memo-five-reasons-the-trump-trial-is-unconstitutional-and-one-opposing-view

This ignores the reality that if trying a President after he leaves office is unconstitutional, there is then a window of time during which the Congress is denied it's constitutional power of impeachment, and during which the President is above the law.

Regarding whether the participants who attacked the capitol had guns (in addition to pipe bombs, hockey sticks, baseball bats, flags with spearheads, etc.) -- yes. Some rioters were arrested with guns. Just Google it.

Regarding the incitement question, some are saying that because near the beginning of his speech trump told people to protest peacefully, that he is off the hook. Unfortunately, everything that he said AFTER that point arguably worked to inflame his audience to "stop the steal." In addition to numerous references to "fighting" and "showing strength," here is a list of lies he included in his speech (from factcheck.org) following his one reference to restraint. Look at the speech transcript. It puts grievance on top of grievance on top of grievance. Of course it would inflame. To me, it is kind of like Marcus Anthony in Shakespear's Julius Caesar, when he starts by calling Brutus an "honorable man," but then incites an uprising against Brutus without specifically calling for it.

At any rate, here is the list of lies. It is pretty impressive for one speech.

• Vice President Mike Pence, who presides over the counting of the electoral votes, directly contradicted Trump’s baseless claim that somehow Pence could overturn the election results and declare Trump the winner.

• Trump falsely claimed that Pennsylvania had “205,000 more ballots then [it] had voters.” That figure comes from a flawed partisan analysis that was “based on incomplete and inaccurate data,” according to the Pennsylvania Department of State.

• He falsely claimed that “more than 10,000 votes in Pennsylvania were illegally counted, even though they were received after Election Day.” About 10,000 ballots arrived within three days after the election, but they have not been counted, pending a court ruling.

• Trump reprised a familiar false claim about “thousands” of dead people voting, as many as 8,000 in Pennsylvania and 10,300 in Georgia. But there has been only one verified report in Pennsylvania, as of Dec. 20, and two in Georgia.

• Trump wrongly claimed that in Georgia “an illegal and unconstitutional settlement agreement … drastically weakened signature verification.” The state strengthened its signature matching processes, says Georgia’s Republican secretary of state.

• The president falsely claimed that “Georgia’s absentee ballot rejection rate was more than 10 times lower than previous levels.” He is wrongly comparing the rate of ballots rejected for signature issues in this election — which is roughly the same rate it has been in recent elections — to the number of ballots rejected in past elections for all reasons, usually for being received too late.

• He falsely claimed that Republican poll watchers in Fulton County, Georgia, were told to leave “under the false pretense of a pipe burst” and then election officials pulled “suitcases of ballots out from under a table.” Poll watchers were not told to leave after a water leak, and videos show boxes of legitimate ballots –not “fraudulent” ones — pulled from under a table.

• Trump falsely claimed that “66,000 votes in Georgia were cast by individuals under the legal voting age.” The Republican official who oversees Georgia’s voting system said, “The actual number is zero.”

• In a tweet before his speech, Trump wrongly claimed Georgia “just happened to find 50,000 ballots late last night” in the Georgia Senate run-off election. Georgia election officials say those were routine absentee ballots being counted.

• Trump claimed without evidence that more than 36,000 ballots “were illegally cast by noncitizens” in Arizona. The secretary of state’s office said about 23,000 eligible voters didn’t submit proof of citizenship with their applications but legally attested to their eligibility.

• He falsely claimed “11,600 more ballots and votes were counted … than there were actual voters” in Arizona. In fact, turnout was about 80% of registered voters.

• Trump falsely said “150,000 people” registered in Maricopa County, Arizona, “after the registration deadline.” Fewer than 20,000 voters registered during a legal extension of the original deadline.