agip wrote:
Let's apply what we've learned from FP:
Whenever you are presented with a choice of which virus to get - the regular virus or the more contagious version of the virus - choose the contagious version. because FP is right to point out that odds are it is less likely to kill you.
FP is right again. The new contagious version is GOOD thing for all of us, as he said correctly.
Well, if you have the choice, that's the choice...at least for now until we find out otherwise.
Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
Let's apply what we've learned from FP:
Whenever you are presented with a choice of which virus to get - the regular virus or the more contagious version of the virus - choose the contagious version. because FP is right to point out that odds are it is less likely to kill you.
FP is right again. The new contagious version is GOOD thing for all of us, as he said correctly.
Well, if you have the choice, that's the choice...at least for now until we find out otherwise.
could you work out for us how we have that choice?
and maybe then touch on how we , after choosing it, do not pass it on to more people?
Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
Let's apply what we've learned from FP:
Whenever you are presented with a choice of which virus to get - the regular virus or the more contagious version of the virus - choose the contagious version. because FP is right to point out that odds are it is less likely to kill you.
FP is right again. The new contagious version is GOOD thing for all of us, as he said correctly.
Well, if you have the choice, that's the choice...at least for now until we find out otherwise.
You're having a real hard time with this.
Monkeys typing wrote:
agip wrote:
you are being too cynical
the dems are trying to do the right thing
to tell trump and other future presidents that they will be punished if they pull this stuff again.
That's what they'd like to do, but if they bring the case to the Senate and fail to convict, then isn't the lesson to morally-deficient future presidents that they won't be punished as long as they can keep their own party on board?
That is, I'm trying to distinguish between the morally correct thing and doing the politically correct thing. Politically, I think it's a mistake to bring a case to convict that fails. Tactically, I think waiting to see what comes out of the 1/6 investigations (which they may already have) and the two NY State cases may weaken Trump's hold on the party further. Waiting also has the advantage of not distracting from starting up the Biden agenda.
They need to throw everything at this criminal. Even if it doesn’t work there is a trail in the political history books leading back to the rotten to the core GOP. Each election cycle they die a bit more, this time they are dying a lot more. The lesson of hey I’ll just get away it applies only to the GOP. This trial will further show the massive difference between the GOP and Dems. One goes after criminals and the other protects them.
Flagpole wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I figured that someone would make that counterpoint, but Clinton was one of the all-time most talented politicians and being the governor of Arkansas didn't didn't impress anyone.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a Trump sycophant and a liar. ANY position she gets elected to is dangerous and not good and continues her name recognition for any later foray into national politics...House, Senate, perhaps even a Presidential run. She should burn in hell.
Yeah it’s all about owning the libs or the perception of that. If Sarah is able to corrupt and downgrade Arkansas even more then she’ll be perceived as owning the libs (doing the opposite of whatever the blue states want to do). We do not need any extra trumpers in any part of government.
johnny99 wrote:
luthor wrote:
I agree that the dems have concluded that Trump really did violate his oath of office and attached the constitution. They regard impeachment as their duty.
On the other hand, the reps are now wandering in a political fog with no clear way out. Their leader is badly damaged goods, but his constituency can still break them -- not only break the party but also destroy individual careers. Obviously, many of them will do the safe thing and vote against impeachment.
Compounding the need to placate the Trumpian base is the fact that 20 republican senators are up for reelection in 2022. Of those, only Toomey (of PA) has voiced some support for impeachment. Four senators on the list have already lined up against impeachment (Thune, Rubio, Johnson & Paul). Predictably, they ignore the merits of the case, instead arguing that impeachment of a departed official is procedurally wrong and would needlessly inflame the many who still believe the election was stolen.
In short, don't look for much courage.
FWIW, here are the 20 up for reelection:
Blunt, Roy (R-MO)
Boozman, John (R-AR)
Burr, Richard (R-NC)
Crapo, Mike (R-ID)
Grassley, Chuck (R-IA)
Hoeven, John (R-ND)
Johnson, Ron (R-WI)
Kennedy, John (R-LA)
Lankford, James (R-OK)
Lee, Mike (R-UT)
Moran, Jerry (R-KS)
Murkowski, Lisa (R-AK)
Paul, Rand (R-KY)
Portman, Rob (R-OH)
Rubio, Marco (R-FL)
Scott, Tim (R-SC)
Shelby, Richard C. (R-AL)
Thune, John (R-SD)
Toomey, Patrick J. (R-PA)
Young, Todd (R-IN)
Toomey, Burr and Portman are not running for re-election. And Grassley hasn't announced anything, but he's going to be 89 on Election Day in 2022, so a retirement announcement from him wouldn't be shocking. So that's 4 that will be free to "vote their conscience".
Still a long way to 17 votes to impeach.
You mean that’s 4 who will be threatened with receiving no ongoing “support” from the GOP if they vote to convict. A lot of politicians cash out when they leave, by joining boards and mgmt of companies that owned them when they were in office and by becoming lobbyists. If they burn that bridge they get no access to that.
Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a Trump sycophant and a liar. ANY position she gets elected to is dangerous and not good and continues her name recognition for any later foray into national politics...House, Senate, perhaps even a Presidential run. She should burn in hell.
Yeah it’s all about owning the libs or the perception of that. If Sarah is able to corrupt and downgrade Arkansas even more then she’ll be perceived as owning the libs (doing the opposite of whatever the blue states want to do). We do not need any extra trumpers in any part of government.
Yep.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Brite Bart wrote:
Exactly. It's not like a former governor of Arkansas would have a remote chance at the Presidency in the future.
I figured that someone would make that counterpoint, but Clinton was one of the all-time most talented politicians and being the governor of Arkansas didn't didn't impress anyone.
Sanders would have the power of Trumpism....assuming it sticks around and it will to at least some degree....and that's all she would need. Her only issue is could she get through the primary.
As an aside....that is one hellacious looking family. Even the Munsters had one outlier.
TTH wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I figured that someone would make that counterpoint, but Clinton was one of the all-time most talented politicians and being the governor of Arkansas didn't didn't impress anyone.
Sanders would have the power of Trumpism....assuming it sticks around and it will to at least some degree....and that's all she would need. Her only issue is could she get through the primary.
As an aside....that is one hellacious looking family. Even the Munsters had one outlier.
Wish we could edit: I see others have brought this up regarding Trumpism, owning the Libs, etc.
Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a Trump sycophant and a liar. ANY position she gets elected to is dangerous and not good and continues her name recognition for any later foray into national politics...House, Senate, perhaps even a Presidential run. She should burn in hell.
Yeah it’s all about owning the libs or the perception of that. If Sarah is able to corrupt and downgrade Arkansas even more then she’ll be perceived as owning the libs (doing the opposite of whatever the blue states want to do). We do not need any extra trumpers in any part of government.
Sarah is a very unpleasant person so we will see how she does. Of course, Trump is unpleasant too, but there is something "special" about him that allows him to get away with.
Regardless, as a Californian, there is nothing Arkansas can do that would make feel owned. I don't even know who their current governor is. Wake me up when she becomes a senator.
agip wrote:
The US is rocking the covid response.
Our # of people vaccinated keeps stairstepping up - to an average of 1.4 million per day now.
Still just 0.91% of the population totally vaccinated, but that will start rising soon. 5.25% have had one shot.
New cases down 32%, deaths down 7%. Cases continue to fall very quickly.
Pretty soon I suspect the talk will change to successes in the US vaccination rollout, rather than focusing on problems.
THe UK is also doing well - cases down 40%! although deaths still at all time highs.
9.36% of the UK has had one shot - best of the big nations.
Israel cases down 17%. Deaths continue to climb to new highs, unfortunately. Although in the key vaccinated cohort case counts are dropping very fast, which is great news.
That’s great.
THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN ??
Gina. wrote:
agip wrote:
The US is rocking the covid response.
Our # of people vaccinated keeps stairstepping up - to an average of 1.4 million per day now.
Still just 0.91% of the population totally vaccinated, but that will start rising soon. 5.25% have had one shot.
New cases down 32%, deaths down 7%. Cases continue to fall very quickly.
Pretty soon I suspect the talk will change to successes in the US vaccination rollout, rather than focusing on problems.
THe UK is also doing well - cases down 40%! although deaths still at all time highs.
9.36% of the UK has had one shot - best of the big nations.
Israel cases down 17%. Deaths continue to climb to new highs, unfortunately. Although in the key vaccinated cohort case counts are dropping very fast, which is great news.
That’s great.
THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN ??
Of course California had to have it's own variant.
https://abc7news.com/california-coronavirus-variant-covid-19-in-bay-area-ucsf-latest-uk/9957101/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/health/coronavirus-variant-california.htmlMarietta Tar Heel wrote:
Gina. wrote:
That’s great.
THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN ??
Of course California had to have it's own variant.
The Times has a much better article.
Yeah viruses mutate.
Gina. wrote:
Yeah viruses mutate.
Yes they do.
Marietta Tar Heel wrote:
Gina. wrote:
Yeah viruses mutate.
Yes they do.
how do the hardcore young earth christians deal with how viruses mutate and evolve?
by their views god created everything and it is never changing.
or something like that.
maybe now they just believe in trump and whatever irks the libs.
Well I guess they are definitely acquitting
https://twitter.com/beschlossdc/status/1353775377328570371?s=21
Interesting twist here. With Leahy presiding, it looks like it may be possible for him to do some jury selection. Remove the 12 insurrectionists from the process and shift the total number required to convict.
https://twitter.com/omgno2trump/status/1353758322873278466?s=21
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