Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

new coll wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

How can he possibly communicate with his base without the use of Twitter? It's also likely he will be limited to his base for fund raising. Give that most of his current base will realize he has no chance of winning in 2024, he's no longer going to have the leverage to screw anyone over. I believe he has permanently gone around the bend and will no longer be capable of making speeches that are compelling to his targeted voters.

Trumpism is done.

Don Jr and Ivanka are the means of future communication with the base. They are also the political means of going after GOP traitors. If Trump is convicted and prevented from running for office again that won't prevent him from showing up as the feature guest at a Don Jr or Ivanka politcal rally.

The belief that Ivanka and Junior are legitimate candidates for public office is not valid. Trump's story was that he was a brilliant self-made billionaire with world class negotiating skills, that was going to drain the swamp.

Ivanka and Don Jr's experience is working for their dad's company.

new coll wrote:

L L wrote:

For the upcoming impeachment trial that Sally says cannot Constitutionally happen, it’s all about getting 67 votes.

I’ll assume 51 are locked up (all Democrats, Independents and Mitt Romney.

16 additional Rs have to convict.

It’s not going to be about how the trial goes or any evidence.

It will be a political calculation and they want to spin it. It also may vary based on Trumps voters feel or express themselves.

And maybe based on what McConnell wants to do.

67 votes are required only of 100 senators cast yes or no votes. If only 95 senators votes yes of no then at least 2/3rds of 95 is 64 yes votesrequired to convict. This is important to take into consideration becasue several senators might chose to vote present not show up at all in order to protect themselves from Trump's violent MA-GAs.

A very important detail. Some Rs could simply abstain to try to save some face with the base.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

new coll wrote:

Don Jr and Ivanka are the means of future communication with the base. They are also the political means of going after GOP traitors. If Trump is convicted and prevented from running for office again that won't prevent him from showing up as the feature guest at a Don Jr or Ivanka politcal rally.

The belief that Ivanka and Junior are legitimate candidates for public office is not valid. Trump's story was that he was a brilliant self-made billionaire with world class negotiating skills, that was going to drain the swamp.

Ivanka and Don Jr's experience is working for their dad's company.

Very true but they still represent “outsiders” to the mouth breathers. The GOP is so rotten that this alone can make them favorites. Sadly Ivanka would be a serious contender in FL. No wonder Rubio has sucked up to trump so badly - he’s terrified.

Trollminator wrote:

new coll wrote:

67 votes are required only of 100 senators cast yes or no votes. If only 95 senators votes yes of no then at least 2/3rds of 95 is 64 yes votesrequired to convict. This is important to take into consideration becasue several senators might chose to vote present not show up at all in order to protect themselves from Trump's violent MA-GAs.

A very important detail. Some Rs could simply abstain to try to save some face with the base.

This is one face saving vote senario of many.

10 Republicans abstain or do not show up.

11 Republicans vote to convict.

49 of 50 Democrats vote to convict (Manchin voting No to protect his Senate seat)

90 Votes

60 Yes (49+11)

30 No

The 2/3rds threadhold is met. Trump is convicted.

Trollminator wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The belief that Ivanka and Junior are legitimate candidates for public office is not valid. Trump's story was that he was a brilliant self-made billionaire with world class negotiating skills, that was going to drain the swamp.

Ivanka and Don Jr's experience is working for their dad's company.

Very true but they still represent “outsiders” to the mouth breathers. The GOP is so rotten that this alone can make them favorites. Sadly Ivanka would be a serious contender in FL. No wonder Rubio has sucked up to trump so badly - he’s terrified.

It is all about collecting donations and putting on a show with Daddy as the star guest. I do not think they are viable candidates, but I believe Ivanka wants something in Florida, and Don Jr. something in Pennsylvania, but Texas is probably abetter option -- he is a gun nut, Texas is filled with gun nuts, and the New NRA is moving there. Senate seats is likely what they would look for -- a Don Jr. run in Texas would terrify Ted Cruz.

Sorry folks, trumpism won’t die that easily. There will be renewed resolve once the great GOP-led witch hunt is revealed at the trial. Nobody on the right has manned up and thrown cold water on these people and asked them to face reality. They will watch Rs turn on Trump and will think they are all in on it with the deep state Dems. The GOP is not being honest about having to give their base some closure to be able to move forward without trumpism.

They will try to keep the dance going but it’s going to blow up on them. There is going to be one hell of an enraged electorate led by trump c0ck suckers like Ted and Gaetz. The GOP won’t have the balls to stop them from cannibalizing their own.

The electorate has more power than the institution.

https://twitter.com/bedofay/status/1350873459451076609?s=21

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The belief that Ivanka and Junior are legitimate candidates for public office is not valid. Trump's story was that he was a brilliant self-made billionaire with world class negotiating skills, that was going to drain the swamp.

Ivanka and Don Jr's experience is working for their dad's company.

Don's experience is squandering his father's inheritance with failed business and getting bailed out. But he turned it into a "self-made" success story. The only thing "self-made" about Trump is his business failure.

It's all about branding. Facts do not matter to Trumpers.

new coll wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Very true but they still represent “outsiders” to the mouth breathers. The GOP is so rotten that this alone can make them favorites. Sadly Ivanka would be a serious contender in FL. No wonder Rubio has sucked up to trump so badly - he’s terrified.

It is all about collecting donations and putting on a show with Daddy as the star guest. I do not think they are viable candidates, but I believe Ivanka wants something in Florida, and Don Jr. something in Pennsylvania, but Texas is probably abetter option -- he is a gun nut, Texas is filled with gun nuts, and the New NRA is moving there. Senate seats is likely what they would look for -- a Don Jr. run in Texas would terrify Ted Cruz.

Agree, he can win in TX if he runs against Ted. He doesn’t have a good chance in PA.

Let’s be real here, the GOP is totally scared of a public divorce from trump. They won’t do it. They’ll beat around the bush and won’t hang him even with good cover. I bet the RINOs wouldn’t mind more trumper violence on Tuesday in order to push the party to take a firmer stand against trump. You can’t move on without closure.

Gotta love how Rs kicked and screamed about Benghazi for 5 years but seem totally ready to dismiss terrorist acts on American soil

after two weeks and are bitchlng about going after the perpetrator.

Regardless of your 2/3 math, they need 67 senators to not vote no.

If 34 senators vote to acquit, he’s acquitted.

L L wrote:

Regardless of your 2/3 math, they need 67 senators to not vote no.

If 34 senators vote to acquit, he’s acquitted.

You are wrong. Get of the 67 horse. That error is repeated over and over, again and again.

The Constitution of the United States

Article. I.

Section. 3.

"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members PRESENT."

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The belief that Ivanka and Junior are legitimate candidates for public office is not valid. Trump's story was that he was a brilliant self-made billionaire with world class negotiating skills, that was going to drain the swamp.

Ivanka and Don Jr's experience is working for their dad's company.

Don's experience is squandering his father's inheritance with failed business and getting bailed out. But he turned it into a "self-made" success story. The only thing "self-made" about Trump is his business failure.

It's all about branding. Facts do not matter to Trumpers.

I've seen parts of Trump's rallys and although I consider them to be borderline nonsense, he has an intangible that makes him compelling and entertaining to his cult.

I don't know about Ivanka, but Junior doesn't have that same intangible and his "own the libs" shtick will fall flat and he will come across as angry and whiney. He is also coherent enough to showcase his stupidity.

new coll wrote:

L L wrote:

Regardless of your 2/3 math, they need 67 senators to not vote no.

If 34 senators vote to acquit, he’s acquitted.

You are wrong. Get of the 67 horse. That error is repeated over and over, again and again.

The Constitution of the United States

Article. I.

Section. 3.

"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members PRESENT."

You did a good job pasting the appropriate part of Section 3 but you left out the very important next paragraph of Section 3. And here it is:

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."

We will put aside for now the part about disqualification to hold and enjoy and Office.

Now let's look at the most important part:

"JUDGEMENT IN CASES OF IMPEACHMENT SHALL NOT EXTEND FURTHER THAN TO REMOVAL FROM OFFICE."

Read that slowly. "...Shall not extend further than to removal from office." Upon conviction that is all that they can do (again putting aside disqualifying him from running from office).

They can remove him from office. That is it! Nothing about reprimanding him. Sanctioning him. They can do nothing but remove him from office. Again, how can they remove him from office IF HE IS NOT IN OFFICE???!!! They CAN NOT do anything but REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE. Again, no sanctioning. No wagging the finger at Trump. No calling him a dirty rotten scoundrel. They REMOVE him from office. THIS is why Trump can't be tried in the Senate. HE ALREADY LEFT OFFICE! So obvious they can't try him.

The number is still 67.

They need 67 senators to not vote to acquit in order to have any chance to convict.

That’s not saying they need 67 to vote to convict.

Again, if 34 senators (100-66) vote to acquit, then he’s acquitted. Regardless of how many show up and cast a vote. You can’t get 2/3 when more than 1/3 of the entire senate votes to acquit. That means they need 67 senators to not acquit.

Please provide a scenario where he can be convicted if 34 senators vote to acquit him.

Why would you put aside disqualifying him from running for office again?

That’s a very important point you are dismissing.

There's two potential punishments you babbling boob.

new coll wrote:

67 votes are required only of 100 senators cast yes or no votes. If only 95 senators votes yes or no then at least 2/3rds of 95 is 64 yes votes required to convict. This is important to take into consideration becasue several senators might chose to vote present not show up at all in order to protect themselves from Trump's violent MA-GAs.

In your example you have 64 votes to convict plus 5 senators not casting a vote at all.

That's 64 + 5 = 69 senators not voting to convict.

69 > 67

Maybe not 67 votes, but you need 67 senators to prevent an acquittal.

Please enlighten me then. "Convict and removed from Office" go hand in hand. Not separate. You convict then you remove. That is one thing. So what are the two potential punishments? Removal is NOT one.